Topic: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise  (Read 6652 times)

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Ducttapewonder

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There seems to ba a lot of talk recently about the future of the ST franchise. Some like the current series "Enterprise". Some don't. What I want is your vote on when the next series should take place and any opinions you may have about what you think would make for a great series.


So........What should it be?


Era of the next ST series.
Pre TOS
TOS Remake
Phase II (Post TOS)
TMP
Post TMP (Early 24th Century)
Yet Another TNG
Post Voyager
Waaaaay Out There
I love Enterprise. It will carry the franchise for years to come. Don't change a thing.
I'm Finished. Dont let the powers that be create another red headed bastard step-child to beat into the ground







Opinions?



   

DarkMatrix

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2003, 04:00:37 am »
i`d like see show set well after tng made next after enterprise has run its full 7 seasons like rest of the show me myself i enjoy enterprise

DM

Desty_Nova

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2003, 05:10:14 am »
I can't stand Enterprise, and I'm sick of being insulted by the Berman Brigade. They did everything wrong on that show, from the ship, to the characters, to the writing. Everything is shallow, superficial, and adolecsent. Watching their endless parade of cheap ratings gimmicks while they say that they just haven't found the right Trek 'formula' fills me with disgust. There's talk of canceling the series. Good. Do it. Let Star Trek die for decade or more, then come back with good ideas and new creative minds after Enterprise is just a dim bad memory.  
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DarkMatrix

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2003, 05:39:53 am »
Quote:

I can't stand Enterprise, and I'm sick of being insulted by the Berman Brigade. They did everything wrong on that show, from the ship, to the characters, to the writing. Everything is shallow, superficial, and adolecsent. Watching their endless parade of cheap ratings gimmicks while they say that they just haven't found the right Trek 'formula' fills me with disgust. There's talk of canceling the series. Good. Do it. Let Star Trek die for decade or more, then come back with good ideas and new creative minds after Enterprise is just a dim bad memory.  




let me guess a tos fan??

people just dont give shows time to get where they going do they we had 52 shows of enterprise so far and out of them i enjoyed over 40 of them few dull ones here and they just watch tng so many i just dont watch hey as they so dam slow to watch more fun painting they house lol just my view just see it as a other show man you enjoy it more for what it is

most people keep on about the timeline of trek give them time to work it out it all fit in the end as it always does

look at voyager when i seen the first season i just not get into it was not till season 5 i started to watch it ( oh yes the borg ) then i rewatched every season and loved every min of it just one of them things all shows need time to grow on you

as far as them stopping it cant see that happening anytime soon they put too much money into the show already they just started season 3 i think it go to the end of a 7th season just like the rest

rant over.............

DM

 

starforce2

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2003, 05:57:48 am »
I'm going to say post voyager. A tos remake wouldn't be bad, but the actors were 90% of it and it just wouldn't be the same. To be honest, they way enterprise (and some of voyager) was, I think they're setting us up for temporal-trek, the next series will be based on a wells class.

Desty_Nova

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2003, 06:35:34 am »
Re: DarkMatrix

I'm not strictly a TOS fan, I'm a fan of any well-written and intelligent Star Trek show. Enterprise is neither of those. (note: much of Voyager also lacked completely in this respect). I tried to go into Enterprise with an open mind. But when I first saw the design of the NX-01, that was a huge red flag for me. To me, iIt wasn't just the design of the ship. It was an indicator of the level of creativity and originality on the show. I tried to convince myself it was joke, or a hoax, or debilirate misinformation to hide the much cooler *actual* design they had in store. But that was it. Enterprise has not once lived up to my expectations after that. It's always been predictable, dull, uncreative, or just outright terrible. It makes me wince sometimes. I mean, look at some of these episodes; that one with Rene Auberjonois(a TOTAL waste of his appearance), A Night in Sickbay(pointless garbage), Dear Doctor(the doctor won't save a species even though he can because they're dying of 'natural causes'? Give me a break), the premiere of Season 3(does anyone on this show EVER research real-life military??? Oh and T'Pol gets naked again), Regeneration(the BORG?!?! I joked about this as the low Enterprise would never be able to stoop to!!! AUUGGHHH!!!!). I could go on.    
I love Star Trek. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. And I would love for Star Trek to endure, but I'd rather have it die than go on as it currently is. The Powers That Be are doing so much more harm than good. Rick Berman is so incopetant, it frightens me. he insists that the huge plunge in Enterprise's ratings has nothing to do with the content of the show, and that they just need to find the right formula to make it work. Argh.  
Well, I can't take it any more. I would have no self-repsct as a Star Trek fan if I kept watching. Sometimes the truth hurts.  

Confused??

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2003, 06:58:47 am »
Sniffs.......Shakes his head and thinks "typical". You know Destiny not to be insulting but it's that attitude towards trek that makes people laugh. I mean we may love the show but the majority of the worlds population think of us as freaks.
Maybe that's why Ent doesn't have the "Startrek" before it's name.The fact is to many it's not just garbage it's a new show and without new fans trek will die. Consider what a new fan of Enterprise would think when watching TOS......" Oh they did something like that in Enterprise, seeing it in this old crap is pointless"
I don't think TOS is crap but that's how someone younger may think.
I take Enterprise for what it is, just as I do with Andromeda/Stargate/Farscape/Space above and beyond and waht ever sci-fi you can add.All fiction has general stories and for thaty matter real life.
As for the ship....do you actually want it to look more primitave than what we have today? That ould just make the show crap.Maybe the bridge and computers can be made from cardboard?
It has to be updated to fit in with the modern world and it's perceptions of the future, that includes asthetics.
Yes maybe it is a bit superficial but so is everything else.
Give the show time and everything in it will fit intot he Trek timeline, and what isn't written in will be put in and speculated on by us the fans.
Again I hope this doesn't offend you.

Desty_Nova

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2003, 07:28:14 am »
I'm not sure why people would laugh at me for this...I have standards for everything based on what they are(or what they are trying to be), Enterprise is no different. And I'm certainly not going to lower my standards just because it is Star Trek.
Anyway maybe Enterprise works for a younger viewer with no prior knowledge and that's fine, I will just not support it.
I know it's only possible to come up with so many stories(or variations thereof), especially after 4 series and hundreds of episodes, but if they're going to reuse concepts they should at least do them tolerably well.

And about the ship. It not the fact that it's sleek and cool-looking that I have a problem with. It's the Akiraprise I have a problem with. It's the fact that the Star trek franchise has calcified so much,  they couldn't even come up with a new ship design. I agree that a show has to be made palatable to the tastes of our modern audience, from a visual standpoint. I don't want the sets to be made of cardboard, I don't want the ship to be a tube with spheres attached to it, but I want it to be original and interesting. I mean, look at the history of new and interesting and beautiful ships star trek has brought us: the original Enterprise, the Enterprise A, the Enterprise D, the Enterprise E, Voyager, the Defiant, the Akira. Most of these made me ooh and ahh the first time I ever saw them. You can imagine my dissappointment when the NX-01 was the first one to make me say, 'this is a joke, right?'

And I don't think Enterprise will eventually fit into the timeline, I don't think TPTB have it in them to make it happen. It's ok though, I gave up on that long ago.

Don't worry, I'm not offended, I have my opinion and you have yours.

**DONOTDELETE**

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2003, 07:42:14 am »
Hello Ducttapewonder,

Thanks alot for the interesting thread,
I really enjoyed the poll,

I voted Post Voyager,
If I may specify,

My personal opinion is that a "Post-Dominion Wars" ST show would be very interesting,
their are several things that could be spun around,

an Occupied Cardassian Union,
and how the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans, the members of the Triple Alliance
would interact,

to me it would be reminiscent of the Occupation and Partition of Germany after World War II,
the possibilities are endless,

but that is just me,

BTW,
Personally,
I like ST: Enterprise quite a bit,
and its does not significantly alter the original ST: TOS,

but re-making a new ST: TOS, would in my opinion,
be like letting a NUKE off in a Catherdal ....


Take care, man
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Atrahasis

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2003, 08:11:01 am »
Personally, I would love to see a TMP series while they are still wearing those grey uniforms.  

MajorRacal

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2003, 08:31:14 am »
I reckon they should rest the franchise for a good long while - I'm not alone amongst my wee troop in Glasgow in thinking everything's been done to death and that the creative team behind Enterprise have been milked beyond dry, and I can'r deny that I'm not a fan.  But then, I'm not much of a fan of TNG in a lot of respects.

Each era of the show has its strenghts and weakness.

TOS is definitely the most corny of all the incarnations, but the core team are strong, dynamic and their interaction is completely believable.  I can identify with many of their ideals, even if the stories come across as corrie-fisted.  OK the designs are primitive by todays standards, but they set the precedents by which the other shows had to develop... The D-7, for example, is still one of the most perfect, iconic designs of any era.

TMP is by far my favourite era - the designs are so much better honed and relised and in my opinion have never been bettered, but movies are a different kettle of fish, aren' they?  The characters are pulled together even more and the core cast really prove how good their characters are despite some dodgy ideas (ST:V - Ick!!)

TNG arrived amidst much pomp and circumstance, and I've never gotten over how ugly everything had become.  Grace and elegance gave way to bulbous, beige grotesquery and the cast took over 3 years to come together.  Sure there are sparkling storylines, but a lot of them are tendiously dull and I find watching them in their intended context impossible.  After 7 years, even the stronger stories started to die out again, and I felt the show was returning from whence it came.

DS9 is next in my line of favouritism of all the franchises.  The more convoluted story arcs appealed to me greatly (as they did in Babylon 5, Farscape and to some extent, early Doctor Who and  Blake's 7) and DS9's design was simply breathtaking.  Again, the show suffered from weak stories and an inconsistent cast performance, but more than any show, I feel that DS9 continually strived to improve.  Even the introduction of Worf, which initially repulsed me, was handled well, and his character developed in ways that TNG would never have allowed.  Admittedly, I still feel a little cheated by the final pay-off, and the loss of Jadzia never sat well with me.

I often feel that Voyager bears the brunt of fan criticism and in many ways unjustifiably so.  It's by no means my favourite series, and I feel the swinging inconsistancies are an alarming forewarning of what's to follow.  Like TNG, and DS9, it takes too long for the cast to gel, and significant charcter events are forgotten too easily - anyone remember the dramatic change in Neelix's outlook on life?  Anyone notice the significant impact on future stories?  Some of designs are spectacular, Voyager is a definite improvement on the Enterprise D, but she'sstill rather too derivative for my taste.  Another criticism in my mind, is that Voyager tried too hard to remould itself from season to season... and it's horribly ironic that Kes, who was uber-bland left after two of her strongest stories - then came back and undone it all again thanks to sloppy writing.

Enterprise - yes, I griped about the inconsistency in the designs, and I accept both sides of that argument, so I'll not go into that one.  I like the general Enterprise design.  I loath the characters, and despite what I thought was one of the strongest pilot stories of all the Trek (it is Trek, whether the creators wish to acknowledge it or not) series, the show has failed to deliver.  It has brought mediocrity to an all new low.

Generations - the movies are loathsome on all manner of levels... The attempts to appeal to too broad an audience while ignoring the people who are actually interested is always a cardinal sin in my eyes - and it's an increasingly common criticism I have of many modern films and tv series.  OK, the Enterprise E is beautiful, so are the other starships, but the cast are inconsistent and films overwhelmingly centre on the wrong characters and ideas.  Generations was a mess from the moment We left the Enterprise B.  First Contact was annoying and perplexing in equal measure - where did Picard's fury erupt from?  Hadn't his rage over assimilation been placated in TNG?  Why did we need the other woman to tell Picard to control himself - wasn't that better placed in Dr Criusher's hands?  I could go on, but it'll beome a rant.  Even Nemesis is a wasted opportunity.  The Romulans, having been ignored and ignored and ignored, come out and hide again once the Remans are unveiled... And the... no I'm ranting again...

So in summation TMP and DS9 are my favourite incarnations.  I think Enterprise should be axed quickly, and the creative team behind Trek banished, and the space left arable so that good, fresh ideas can spring forth at a later date.  A much later date.

MajorRacal  

InragedSith

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2003, 08:43:47 am »
The next Trek series will more than likely be a remake of TOS

The sad thing is B&B would use Roddenberrys preface in the TMP novelization as justification to do whatever they want

Atrahasis

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2003, 08:57:39 am »
I can tell you one thing: The likelihood of the next Trek series, if there is one, being based on TOS or TMP is very very slim because then they would have to give the Roddenberry estate a greater share of the pie. TNG and all its spin-offs as well as the new Enterprise series may have to give some sort of acknoweldgement kickback to the Roddenberries, but anything based strictly on TOS is another ballgame altogether, legal-wise.  

I_Mudd

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2003, 09:06:34 am »
At the risk of sounding disrespectful to what has gone before, prehaps a re-do/re-edit of the original series could be good. No one can replace TOS, but an updated look might be interesting.
For example, we have cell phones more advanced than a communicator and hand held computers nearly as advanced as tricorders in TOS.
Not only that, but the effects are better these days. (anyone see LOTR?)
I'm not talking about replacing the actors. Prehaps a real story ( Yes ... a real continuing story ... not one of Star Trek's strong points ... Why must it be so episodic? ) set in the era of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Make the effects good enough to make me belive like I did when I was a kid. Give me a reason to care about the show. I've seen less of Enterprise than I have of any of the shows ... including Voyager ... which I rarely watched when it was new ... ( Oh! We hit a space creature with our starship. Lets render first Aid! / Oh! I hit a rabbit on my way to work ... uh ... He's dead, Jim ... ) Lets get back to " ... boldly going where no man has gone before ... " Not researching singularities, not sitting in a space station, not trying to go home,  and definatley not re-writing the past.

I guess all it would take is creativity. I wonder if we'll see any ...

"sigh"

I_Mudd

Azel

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2003, 09:14:29 am »
I say future trek...possibly a time travel show...as that seems to be the underlining theme in Trek as of late  

Azel

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2003, 09:15:51 am »
I personally would love to eiter see a Sulu Excelsior Trek
Or a Riker Titan Trek
or even missing era's Trek  

Hig Hurtenflurst

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2003, 09:59:35 am »
One thing about this new Xindi storyline:  FINALLY we get to see some real aliens!  (Species 8472 aside) Not just humans with stupid little ridges on their nose or forehead, but actual aliens (albiet just big preying mantis insect things) actual things that might have evolved on their own.   That TNG crap about the common origin didn't cut it in my mind; just an easy cop-out as to why everybody looks the same and speaks english.   (Gene's "I wanna see the actor's eyes" = "I don't wanna spend much money") Yeah, mostly the show sucks, but this small detail at least is a step in the right direction, something that Trek should have had more of right from the start.

atheorhaven

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2003, 10:27:14 am »
Personally, I'm finished with the series... and have been for quite a while.

Dunno how many people here are/were in the con circuit, but I was for a while.  And heard over and over again about the Kirk/Spock/McCoy "Starfleet Academy" idea set pre-TOS (think the script and idea were originally put out by Harve Bennett).  It was almost universally vilified by everyone in the con circuit.  Noone thought that it was a good idea, and that if they were going to do Trek at all.. it be a continuation of the old and just advance down the timeline.  You don't go backwards.

Well, you have to know that the "Starfleet Academy" idea had to get recycled when they got low on ideas.  Ooooo, look.. it's untouched territory that we can legally go into!  Yay!  Let's make an uber-cool new idea.  Set a series the same distance before Kirk/Spock as TNG was after Kirk/Spock, and we can continue that storyline for another (literally) 80 years until the Roddenberries are all dead and their rights to it lapse to the public domain, then we can steamroller over the original series.

Hmmm, and to bring up ratings, let's find a hot woman and put her in a catsuit.  Oh, and what else.. well, Klingons were good for ratings in DS9.. we'll throw them in there.  Ferengi make our lawyers happy because they're characters they can identify with.. they have to make a token appearance.. oh, Borg have to make an appearance 'cause they were good ratings in Voyager.  (Despite the fact that Borg nanoprobes from TNG-era would be resistant to anything radiation-like pre-TOS civilization could throw at it easily, and would eat any retro-virus for breakfast.  Phlox should be a dead drone now, and should've been before the end of the episode easily.  "Alas poor Phlox, we hardly knew you, hey Porthos?  Good dog..")

I mean, please.. let's just say that my vote in this one should kind of be obvious.  Let it die for now, put B&B on the unemployment line.  The entire franchise has been in ICU for years thanks to B&B and is just being kept alive by machines at this point.  Its kidneys have failed, its brain-death long ago, and the corpse is rotting at the edges.  Let's not prop up the corpse with a stick and make its arms twitch and dance with electro-shock just for the tourists at $5/head.

In about 5-7 years or so after there's renewed interest, pick up post-Voyager.  Pull a Highlander III (fan-titled, "Highlander III: Highlander II never happened"), and pretend anything past the end of Voyager never happened.  ("Insurrection"?  What franchise was that?  Wasn't Trek was it?  Nah, don't believe you.. and our lawyers will sue you for libel if you try and push it pal.)  And bring in all new writers, all new designs, and continue.

The only good thing about Season 3 "Enterprise" to date is that it's nice to see the actor who played the telepath first officer Matheson from "Crusade" has gotten himself some new work.  There's an excellent actor who has a great sense of humour, and can deliver a line that'll make you grin with a totally straight face and just so smoothly.  Being "Enterprise", he'll just sit in the background whenever they need a token minority because the scene is too damn white, and take a shot from a Xindi rifle defending Archer.  I predict his final line (and maybe only second spoken line) in the series will be,"Captain, look out!   Arrrrgh!" (zot, crisp, sizzle).

And can you be *any* more pointedly trying to say that an alien race are Iraqi's?  Let's see.. flip the q upside down, that makes a d.. that r turns into an n nicely.. Inadi.. no, that's a mouthful.. gotta give it zip.. zzz.. hmmm, Znadi, maybe flip things around.  Zandi.. too much like candy.. Zindi.  Gotta give it a cool look, Xindi.  There we go.  (gag).

Next thing you know, the leader of the Xindi will be Izimi Din Loodi or Zadin Hisan.  

(sorry to Paramount if I just pre-shadowed any actual planned events and created a foreshadowing of things to come).

My two cent ($C) for what it's worth..

atheorhaven

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2003, 10:40:26 am »
Quote:

One thing about this new Xindi storyline:  FINALLY we get to see some real aliens!  (Species 8472 aside) Not just humans with stupid little ridges on their nose or forehead, but actual aliens (albiet just big preying mantis insect things) actual things that might have evolved on their own.   That TNG crap about the common origin didn't cut it in my mind; just an easy cop-out as to why everybody looks the same and speaks english.   (Gene's "I wanna see the actor's eyes" = "I don't wanna spend much money") Yeah, mostly the show sucks, but this small detail at least is a step in the right direction, something that Trek should have had more of right from the start.  




Actually, it's been done before.. and better.  Season 1, Babylon 5.  (We're talking '90s now)  Leader of the black market on Babylon 5 was a giant insectoid named Nagrath, and was done live action (not CGI).  Makes the one that we saw on "Enterprise" look cute and cuddly and almost Teletubbies in comparison.    

Nagrath was cold and plotting and mostly emotionless.  I could've seen Nagrath literally cooly decapitating someone for not paying a bill and sucking all the juice out of them for payment.  Nagrath only disappeared from the show because it was a difficult puppet to operate all the time, and a human underground leader was simply less time-consuming for shooting.  The new one on "Enterprise" however is homicidal, and paranoid, and exhibits all the lovely human characteristics that we see around us in the word everyday.  Not so much an insect at all.  Again, just my two cents..

nx_adam_1701

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Re: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2003, 11:48:43 am »
I agree, the truth is im 18 and the first trek I got into was TNG. then ds9 and etc..., at the first sight of TOS, I was like what the f is that, so old, crappy, but then after a while I began to appreciate the show, because without it trek would be possible, and the same thing with Enterprise, I was like how the hell do you end a series with transphasic torpedoes and armor and then revert to old times, but I watched it, and it isnt that bad now besides that

I vote for a TMP era, I dont know about yah but when I see the Enterprise C and see an era missing, like a piece of the puzzle I havent seen, a lost era you can call it, it would be great to know what happens besides that the Enterprise C was lost and Nervanda whatever, it could start with the excelsior and cont..., dont get me wrong a post Voyager would me great as well but TMP, sounds good, Post voyager too... but a remake of TOS TNG or another era that was done will just piss people off, I mean imagine the problems a remake of a TOS would do to all the TOS fans, if they and by that I mean the writers and etcc dont get it right, shoot the world will turn upside down, I say leave those eras as they are, great eras gone, remembered, not replaced, I couple a days ago I read a post about Battlestar Galatica remake, people were outraged, lets leave those beautifuls shows in our mind some things are better left alone, but TMP, and post VOY are things they can do and catch the eyes of the viewers, I mean TMP would be good too see, I know I would love to know what happens in that era, war at kitomer, romulan interferance, plus I like the uniforms and the colors used on the TMP stations, the consoles are green and blue very nice lol lol, uniforms are great too,

adam out

PS Forget enterprise, Lets not dwell on it, whats done is done, either itll get better, or itll get worse, but for goodness sakes, fix the freakin transporters, im so used too them being used and not just for cargo, itll make escaping much easier, everyone else seems to use them, and did anyone notice how faster transporters are getting, TOS was ok, TNG was an improvement, but ENT, those raiders were like flashing in and out, too fast for that era

bye guys, good talk good thread