Topic: USS Coronado ready for DL

[Atrahasis]

Damned fun to play!

[Ducttapewonder]

Lookin Sweet there Atra. Glad to see you modeling for SFC again. Hope to see more soon.  

[Desty_Nova]

Your TOS models rock. Thanks, and keep up the excellent work!

[Bernard Guignard]

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Damned fun to play!  

Hi Atrahasis
    Nice to see you get back in the modeling groove. I like what your doing. Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for sharing this with us  

[DarkMatrix]

the master does  it yet aagain

DM

[Chrystoff]

Great looking ship, Atra! I love the early TMP markings on it.  

[Rogue]

Weeee doggy that's a fine CVL. Thank you Atrahasis.

I don't remember seeing that style of bussard on your models before. Is that a new texture or have I forgotten? Anyway, I LIKE IT!  

[FireSoul]

Very nice indeed..  

I have 2 questions:
1- why no deflector dish?
2- is there going to be a TMP version?

[Rhaz]

Fantastic

[sandman69247]

Slow down Atra!! You're going to burn out you keep going at this pace, plus my poor old heart can't take all the beauties.

If there was any doubt, it should now be apparent....the MASTER has returned.

 

[Marauth]

Stunning, I really like the blue-grey paint job much better than the white ones on the other TOS ships you did a while ago, also the TMP pennants look pretty cool, only thing I spotted that doesn't fit is the open intercooler thingies on the back of the warp nacelles are open like on the Achernar, shouldn't they be filled like on the constitution/bonhomme richard? If not then cool.

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Very nice indeed..  

I have 2 questions:
1- why no deflector dish?
2- is there going to be a TMP version?  

1. Why doesn't the Miranda have a deflector dish?
2. I've got one made from P81's connie up at rogueninech's site - http://www.rogueninech.com/rogueninech.html - the refit version was called the Oriskany in the SOTSF manual, mine's not exactly acurate but the schematic for the Oriskany was pretty ugly in the front of the sec hull so I took a liberty there. Also once I get my main comp running again and get it to uni I'll give Rogue the updated versions made from WZ45's connie.

[wanderer]

Beautifully done, Atra, bravo.

[Rogue NineCH]

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Very nice indeed..  

I have 2 questions:
1- why no deflector dish?
2- is there going to be a TMP version?  

Isn't the deflector dish used mainly on long range starships?  You look at ships like the Miranda, the Constellation, and the Northhampton they don't have one.  I like to think of these ships as medium range to short range ships, plus a carrier usually does not operate alone so she would have an escort that had a dish to compensate.

[Atrahasis]

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Very nice indeed..  

I have 2 questions:
1- why no deflector dish?

Hmmm that never struck me before.....maybe because I have seen this design and had posters of it since I was a wee lad, after all the design is from the 1970's. It just does not have a defelctor. And that is odd for a TOS ship, I'll have to admit. The only place to put it would be hanging down from the bottom dome sensor like on the Saladin / Ptolemy, but then that would ruin the look of the ship because it's supposed to be a very close sister to the Connie. It might also be a navigational hazard for the fighters that have to exit/enter at the front bay.

Hmmm possibly the defelctor units are similar to the WADE units and are at the front of the "box / hump" at the back of the saucer? Either that or at the leading edge of the saucer. I would propose at the front of the box / hump because that view was never in the original diagrams.

There's a set of twin phasers right below the front bay, so the defelctor can't be there either. Quite a conundrum, no?

As for a TMP version, there is no official one, but I believe Jackill's came up with one called the Oriskany or Clemenceau.....however there's no room for a TMP version in the OP ship list because all of these heavy-cruiser-carriers appear before 2270.  

[FireSoul]

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As for a TMP version, there is no official one, but I believe Jackill's came up with one called the Oriskany or Clemenceau.....however there's no room for a TMP version in the OP ship list because all of these heavy-cruiser-carriers appear before 2270.  

Says who?

[Azel]

Stunning as always Atra!!!

 

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Isn't the deflector dish used mainly on long range starships? You look at ships like the Miranda, the Constellation, and the Northhampton they don't have one. I like to think of these ships as medium range to short range ships, plus a carrier usually does not operate alone so she would have an escort that had a dish to compensate.
 

Actually the Contellation is a Deep space explorer not a short-rage ship
Also all federation ships have a deflector system of some type(the miranda class, constellation, and Connie  all have a Deflector array under the saucer...it works in collaboration with the sensors above the sensor dome. )  

[Atrahasis]

I also upgraded the Endeavor with slightly more sophisticated hull panelling, and is available for DL now:



Note: This ship is great fo rthe F-CA+ slot.  

[Marauth]

Can we please see the bonhomme richard? Pretty please with ethanol, er, I mean sugar?

Oh and BTW I read the comparison stats you put for the Endeavour and Enterprise classes and the Enterprise class was not derived from the Achernar, it was derived from the Bonhomme Richard - the Enterprise herself which was the first to undergo the refit was clearly a Bonhomme Richard/Constitution (as it has the apearance of a Bonhomme Richard throughout the 5-year mission and is explicitly refered to as a Constitution class in TOS: Space Seed) just thought I'd mention it.

[Johanobesus]

This is great.  I'm glad you're releasing your models again.  Any chance of the Yamato?

I've always preferred that look for the bussard collectors.  I am curious, though, why you kept them instead of updating them to match your current designs?

Now, if my ISP would quit acting up, I might be able to download it.
 

[Marauth]

Because the others like the Kearsarge and Burke predate the Connie/Bonhomme - whatever you want to call it by several years and are technically pre-TOS - especially the Burke, that's very old, so they don't get the gold-spinny bussards like on the connie and coronado. At least that's what it seems to me.

[starforce2]

Iust wondering, where exactly is the deflector system on this ship? lol

[ActiveX]

What about the Imperator?

[Johanobesus]

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Because the others like the Kearsarge and Burke predate the Connie/Bonhomme - whatever you want to call it by several years and are technically pre-TOS - especially the Burke, that's very old, so they don't get the gold-spinny bussards like on the connie and coronado. At least that's what it seems to me.  

Noi, if I remember correctly, his Bonhomme used the same design as his Sherman and Detroyat, sort of four yellow spots fading to dark red.  He has changed it now on the other two, but this Coronado has almost the same bussards as the old Coronado did.

[Atrahasis]

There are basically 3 styles of nacelles that I am trying to emulate, according to Ships of the Starfleet. PB-31, PB-32, and PB-47. The Bonhomme uses the PB-32 if that makes things any clearer.  

[Captain Ron]

Look like a beauty Atra nad I never liked the way this ship looked, but it looks good here!

[Atrahasis]

I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I just had a great time playing my new fleet in skirmishes. Try taking 3 TOS Fed ships up against a Klingon XCA, it's quite a challenge!

[Rogue]

I think you have reason to toot a bit. You have done some really remarkable work on a good number of models. I have been testing the specs on an X refit CB for which I am using your Belknap TMP for. One of those way cool starships you and Rick can be credited for if I remember right. I sooo like that one and play it right often.

One I made up is a Federation pocket Battleship out of Mindblip's Axton, I think it is. I was using the HMS Hood as a concept for it. The armament (8 forward firing photons) and power plant of a battleship on the frame of a heavy battlecruiser. A lot of speed and firepower but not the armor. Stick the historical names of the German pocket Battleships in the string file and you got yourself a fun ship to fly or fight.

Perhaps you can tell me this. What year did the Federation designs become TMP in style? I've been going on year 0 in OP as the break point, as shown in ShipEdit. Does this really occur at a later time and what year does year 0 relate to? I get confused as you have say year 171 as reckoned in SFB. Year 2270 for a stardate and as far as ShipEdit is concerned it is year 0 perhaps. I bet you know this one off the top of your head.      

[Chrystoff]

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Stick the historical names of the German pocket Battleships in the string file and you got yourself a fun ship to fly or fight.

Hey, Rogue, can you let us know what the names of all of the pocket battleships are? The only one I know is the Graf Spee.  

[Atrahasis]

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Perhaps you can tell me this. What year did the Federation designs become TMP in style?

The short answer? ST:TMP was in the year 2271. The end of the 5-year mission, if you inlcude the 22 episodes of TAS, was the year 2269, and the Enterprise spent 18 months in drydock getting refitted starting at the end of that year. That means they had the "TMP-style tech" ready to go in the late 2260's. We don't know if the Enterprise was the first to recieve the new tech, but it probably wasn't. However, shoot for about 2270 as the start of the TMP-tech era.

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 I've been going on year 0 in OP as the break point, as shown in ShipEdit.

The start year in OP, year 0, is the year 2263. Some say it's 2264 but that's not true because I looked through the game files and it says 2263 in black and white.  

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Does this really occur at a later time and what year does year 0 relate to? I get confused as you have say year 171 as reckoned in SFB.

Just remember that the base year in SFB is the year 2110, so Y171 works out to be the year 2281.
 

[Rogue]

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Stick the historical names of the German pocket Battleships in the string file and you got yourself a fun ship to fly or fight.

Hey, Rogue, can you let us know what the names of all of the pocket battleships are? The only one I know is the Graf Spee.  

I'm using these... Gneisenau, Eisenhaur, Scharnhorst, Graf Spee and Lutzow.

Atrahasis, thanks for the information. I copied and pasted all that you have written for future reference. Most useful and undoubtably well thought out.  

[Atrahasis]

Give me a shout if you want an explanation of FASA dates as well.

[Rogue]

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Give me a shout if you want an explanation of FASA dates as well.  

I would consider that useful information. If you have it figured out by all means post it as I would record it. Again, thanks guy 'cause that's what we are all after here. A better Starfleet Command. Better models, better specifications and better textures.    

[Atrahasis]

The base year for FASA is the year 2254. I don't know why this is, but maybe it's because this is the earliest date in which a TOS episode takes place, and that would be "The Cage". It is also about 100 years after the founding of the UFP. Here's what you do: In a FASA date like 2/1706 only the first two numbers after the "/" are important. In this case, it's 17 and so you add 17 years to 2254 to give you 2271. The last two numbers are the month, and the first number before the "/" is the century. 1 means the first century of the UFP, 2 means the second century of the UFP. In a date like 1/8801, you would have to subtract 12 from 2254, which gives you 2242.

FASA makes some assumptions about TOS dates and screws up at times, but using the base year I mentioned will get you by nicely.