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Gamester

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2003, 11:55:39 pm »
It's kinda interesting that someone earlier linked to some game movie trailers for Sierra's upcoming Battlestar Galactica game. As freaky cool as the movies look, I happen to have some serious beefs with the GAME.

First, a little backstory. About a year ago, I received an e-mail from Sierra asking me to participate in a customer survey about some games they had in early development. One of the most promising of these (and the only one I remember) was the new Battlestar Galactica game and I was initially VERY excited (A space combat game set in the Battlestar Galactica universe! Freakin' Awesome! Where do I pre-order?!?!?). Then they started asking some very. . . odd. . . questions. Questions such as:

What do you think about having hybrid gameplay featuring away missions with a younger Commander Adama, FPS style?

and

What about space combat missions similar to Rebel Assault (ie - a rail shooter)?

and

Would I buy it if it was NOT available on the PC?

First off, I pretty much think FPS type games suck. They give me nasty headaches and occasional nausea. The only one I actually liked was Unreal Tournament (and then only in LAN play) and I could only play that for about 30 mins at a sitting before I started reaching for the Tylenol. I also happen to find that many game forums catering to FPS players tend to be juvenile and rude in the extreme (as opposed to the overall extremely civilized Taldren forums - I wonder how many ppl are truly aware of how great the community here is?). All in all, I dislike FPS style games.

Second off, I am a HUGE fan of games like Wing Commander (1-4 & Prophecy - I never cared for the Privateer series or Armada, and Academy was interesting but it was really only a random mission generator), FreeSpace & FreeSpace 2 (FreeSpace 2 is STILL one of the best looking computer games ever made IMHO - and Volition got screwed over by Interplay just like Taldren and Bioware), Tie Fighter (I didn't care much for X-Wing, and X-Wing Alliance was OK, but Tie Fighter, FreeSpace 2, Wing Commander 2, Eye of the Beholder 2, and Lands of Lore 1 are my Top 5 favorite games of all time and in about that order, too) and I even really enjoyed StarLancer (I like FreeLancer, but I like StarLancer better). This should serve to let you know that I REALLY enjoy space combat games. They also have the added benefit of NOT making me ill watching or playing them (as opposed to Descents 1 thru 3 - puke-a-rama - and all FPS type games from Wolfenstein 3D on up). I own and have played Rebel Alliance. It is a rail shooter. This means you fly on a pre-determined path and "steer" your targeting reticle and blow stuff up. It sucked and I hated it. It had a sequel, Rebel Assault II - it wasn't any better. I mean, look at Tie Fighter (Alpha 1, Request for Reinforcements Acknowledged - Imperial Fanfare - Star Destroyer Emperor's Fist enters area at 11KM and drops off 2 additional Tie squadrons - Sweet!!!!) and then look at Rebel Assault! This certainly does not bode well.

And third off, I don't own a console game system. I will not now nor any conceivable time in the near future own a game console (unless someone gives me one and then I doubt I'd play it for more than a few mins - I can safely say this because my brother has damn near every console system ever invented by mankind and I have yet to find anything that interests me on one).

I will admit that I thought the game would be much more appealing were it more like FreeSpace 2 (or even StarLancer, a game that while not perfect, was very good and had a great atmosphere, it's downfall being primarily some drastically difficult missions - Warthog, BSG's developer, worked on that one with Digital Anvil, so they HAVE experience in the genre). I told the developers as much in my feedback, even going so far as to outline all the things about FreeSpace 2 that made me love it so much. I would even have enjoyed an RTS game based on Battlestar Galactica (except we already kinda have that - Sierra's own HomeWorld and HomeWorld 2 and they are quite awesome games. I have them both. Any official BSG RTS would have a very hard time beating these two. Pity they AREN'T official BSG RTS games.) It appears it is not to be however.

As far as the Sci-Fi channel remake is concerned, I will watch it. It can't be any worse than the Dune miniseries (I'm your Duke!). Even if it turns out to be bad, even the makers of the Dune miniseries somewhat redeemed themselves with Children of Dune (much MUCH better). There is hope. I will wait and see. If it sucks - I'll eventually give up on it, just like I did with TNG, DS9, Voyager & Enterprise. (SFC: OP rulez!)

On a related note, anyone remember the NBC remake of Dark Shadows with Ben Cross as Barnabus Collins? I thought that was freakin' fantastic. The only show I EVER made sure I was home for EVERY episode. I had seen several episodes of the original series and found it very Soap Opera-Style slow and boring, but the new series had pacing, excellent acting, good scripts, and excellent visual production values. It took the original's storyline and paced it much faster, making for one of the most enjoyable shows of my teenage years. They cancelled it after one season (on a cliff hanger, too!!!). You win some, you lose some.

Gamester
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Whiplash

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #81 on: September 22, 2003, 09:54:43 pm »
I'm never too much of a stickler for a remake being all that close to the original.

Anytime a show that old gets remade, it has to be significantly redone. Society has changed drastically.  The old one just can't be that relevant now. Its not enough to remake the special effects. Nobody is going to be impressed with spacefighters and robots these days.

Their concept of giving humans "flaws" and making Cylons look like people may allow them to humanize the show more and present some relevant social issues. Who knows. I'm not going to pan the show without seeing it. I will give it a chance.

Feel free to be close-minded and judge it sight unseen. I won't.

W.
 

Dogmatix!

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2003, 06:16:57 pm »
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Dogmatix!

Obviously you do not agree with the topic of my thread here, and since you're here anyway, the only reason you could possibly have for being here is to argue with people whom you dissagree with. What a loser. Nobody says they are the authority on what TV shows are crap, we said that we don't like THIS tv show, and we think THIS tv show is crap. And if you dissagree, that's ok. But in that case you have no reason for being here do you?  You think this topic is rediculous, you don't like it, yet still you're here? You know, an intelligent person would just ... go away. You don't have to reply to every single thread on this forum you know. Go find something productive to do with your time.  




I didn't think this topic was "rediculous."  I thought it was "rediculous" that it (or topics like it) had been posted in three different fora (that I know of...there might be more).  I think it's a great topic, otherwise.  It's certainly not up to you to decide what discussion I choose to involve myself in.  It's not up to you to decide my reasons for "being here."

On the other hand, you've resorted to actual name calling.  Heh...I find that kind of pathetic.


I have posted because the topic interests me, nevermind the fact that it should be relegated and confined to the OT forum.  Since you've chosen to personallyattack me rather than discuss the merits of my arguments, I can only assume that you've somehow taken exception to the fact that I, among others, are not eating up your call for a boycott and have taken exception to the unfavorable categorization of those willing to at least judge the new BSG miniseries on it's merits or lack thereof after actually watching it.  You'll note that I am not insulting those who choose to dismiss it out of hand without watching it.  That's certainly their perrogative.

I have posted on-topic in this thread.  I have questioned the points of view espoused by yourself and others that I find problematic or just plain don't agree with.  I sorry to find that you apparently don't have any use for differing opinions.  It would seem you're only interested in the opinions of those who agree with you.  If this is the case, you might want to look into confining your posts to PMs amongst your circle of "yes men."

If you're going to post something publically, it behooves you to be open to response and possible criticism of your argument/topic.  Perhaps you would benefit from starting from the beginning and reading this thread all over again.  You appear to have missed a great number of points.  Perhaps it's all the ones that you don't agree with.  Seems plausible, anyway...


 
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Karnak

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2003, 09:00:01 am »
BSG Early Draft scripts:

**** WARNING!! Lotsa Potential Spoilers!! ****
http://www.galactica2003.net/archives/scripts.htm

If you go through the scripts I think you will find the new stories to be intriguing.  It makes you do a lot of thinking which is a sign of a good series.  I think the intellectual quotient has been expanded many times fold over the classic BSG.   I like the way the Colonials are no longer idiotic dupes; especiallly, the politicians.  Instead they are compromised by their own character flaws but not their intelligence.  Moore uses Balter as the symbol for how intelligence can be compromised by personal character flaws like being too self-absorbed (cf. Londo Mollari in B5, Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars, Gul Duhkat in DS9). Other than looking for a reference for the head baddie of the Cylons (ie. Star Wars mentioned the Emporer 30 minutes into the film, DS9 brought in the Female Changeling early on, Borg Queen appeared in First Contact), I like what R. Moore has done with the franchise.  It's kinda hard to hate the Cylon 6 model, hehe.

IMHO, I think it has a chance of meeting original B5 standards and putting Enterprise in trouble.  Another thing in the new series' favor is the casting of the Apollo character.  It's played by the actor that did Archie Kennedy in the Horatio Hornblower mini-series.  That shows that BSG is serious about getting young, hungry, quality actors on the potential level of Patrick Stewart in the series.  I'm also a Hornblower fan.
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WDLL

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2003, 10:45:35 am »
I will propably watch this new one if I can.  I also like Enterprise.  It has its problems but it's good.  
The main reason is that I lke the story.  BSG was the first Sci-Fi series that I watched when I was a kid and since then I am a big fan of SCIFI.

Which only makes it sound more strange when I ask this,  a few people mentioned Space 1999.  What was that about?  I have never seen it or read about it.  What does it deal with?

EmeraldEdge

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2003, 10:56:45 am »
Space: 1999.  A base is on the moon.  Mostly science station, but they dispose of nuclear waste.  Something goes wrong and there is a massive explosion propelling the Moon out into space.  Before long they are out of range of earth and stuck on the moon.  They then encounter various aliens, and stuff as Moonbase Alpha continues on it's course, they are hoping that they will be able to reach a planet that is habitable by humans before they run out of supplies, etc.  

WDLL

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2003, 11:06:37 am »
Thank you.

Mr. Hypergol

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2003, 04:19:13 pm »
Space 1999 was groundbreaking for it's time.  I loved that show along with BSG and Star Trek.

Obviously some of the premise is bogus, for example the moon actually encountering a new planet every week or so.  Boy, they must have not only been moving faster than light but also able to "steer" the moon.  Totally bogus from a science perspective.  Did I miss something or am I correct here?

What I loved about the show was the concept of moon base Alpha and the Eagle space craft.  I saw these as in the same category as the Discovery spacecraft from 2001 A Space Osyssey.....i.e.  things humanity could achieve within my lifetime given the appropriate resources allocated.

Space 1999 was good stuff indeed.

Here's some good Space 1999 links:

http://www.space1999eagle.com/an/an_home.html

http://www.space1999.uk.com/#

http://www.space1999.org/
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WDLL

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2003, 04:42:51 pm »
The spaceship looks very familiar.  Almost like I have seen something much bigger than it somewhere, but similar design.  I will check if there are DVDs of the series for region 2 anywhere.  Thanks for the links.

FormerDM

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2003, 04:57:16 pm »
Little known fact: Space 1999 was originally season 2 of UFO. Alpha Moonbase was intended to be SHADO HQ.

The investors became skittish after UFO ratings drooped a bit in NY and LA markets. Gerry Anderson resold it (they had done much preproduction work on sets, etc) as a new concept. Thus was Space: 1999 born.  

WDLL

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2003, 09:26:02 pm »
Damn!  What is that UFO series?
 

Baker

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2003, 10:58:48 pm »
 Wow that's one heck of a moon, if it  can travel faster then light and have the ability to be steered. Kinda makes all those starships look rather dull and pathetic doesn't it.

Well since I was born in 1981, I missed out on things like the original BSG and TOS, so I will watch it since it will be the first BSG that I come across.

FormerDM

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2003, 11:08:57 pm »
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Damn!  What is that UFO series?
   



It aired in 1970. You can get in on DVD from A&E. Good fansite at http://www.ufoseries.com/

Premise:
         In the year 1980, a secret military organization named SHADO (Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organisation) becomes operational. Its purpose is to defend the Earth from Aliens who've been coming to Earth and kidnapping humans. It is believed that these Aliens are a dying race, and are transplanting human body parts to extend their own lifespans.

SHADO's main headquarters is hidden beneath a film studio near London England. SHADO also has a base on the moon (Moonbase) and a fleet of submarines (Skydiver). Incoming UFO's are initially detected by an Earth orbiting satellite named SID (Space Intruder Detector). An initial interception attempt is made in space with three Interceptor craft launched from Moonbase. A second attempt is made in the Earth's atmosphere with a fighter plane (Sky One) launched from Skydiver. Landed UFO's are tracked down with ground Mobiles.

The episodes are typically about SHADO's attempts to thwart the Alien invasions, and the various Alien strategies to disable SHADO or kill its commander. Recurring themes include maintaining SHADO security, keeping SHADO properly funded, and the         effect that the secrecy has on the personal lives of SHADO's operatives.  

WDLL

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2003, 11:30:41 pm »
Damn!!! It sounds like the games XCOM!  

Cleaven

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2003, 01:44:32 am »
Of course the UFO idea really started with Captain Scarlet.

Or maybe not, but at least I think they had a similar premise.  

**DONOTDELETE**

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2003, 08:08:07 am »
Karnak,

Ahem ....
Quote:


<snip>
I like the way the Colonials are no longer idiotic dupes; especiallly, the politicians.






What is so unbelievable about it?

The Twelve Colonies of Man intervened in a war between the Cylon Empire,
and one of the Colonies close neighbours
,

The Cylons had extreminated their Reptilan Cylon Creators,
and had resolved the exterminate non-Cylon lifeforms and extend the Cylon Empire, ad infinitium,

Thus, the Colonial intervention commenced the "1000 Yarheen War",
the Colonials were initially successful, but the Cylons just kept manufacturing Cylon Warriors around the clock,
the Colonies were eventually worn down into a "Stalemate Frontline",

After 1000 Yarheens of War ... Colonial society had incorporate "the War" into their daily lives,
the Colonial economy went on,

The foolish (last) Colonial President decided on a "Neville Chambelain" peace process,
We know the rest,

Frankly ... I find the storyline quite believable, and "timeless"...


GeneralWolfe


Quote:

BSG Early Draft scripts:

**** WARNING!! Lotsa Potential Spoilers!! ****
http://www.galactica2003.net/archives/scripts.htm

If you go through the scripts I think you will find the new stories to be intriguing.  It makes you do a lot of thinking which is a sign of a good series.  I think the intellectual quotient has been expanded many times fold over the classic BSG.   I like the way the Colonials are no longer idiotic dupes; especiallly, the politicians.  Instead they are compromised by their own character flaws but not their intelligence.  Moore uses Balter as the symbol for how intelligence can be compromised by personal character flaws like being too self-absorbed (cf. Londo Mollari in B5, Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars, Gul Duhkat in DS9). Other than looking for a reference for the head baddie of the Cylons (ie. Star Wars mentioned the Emporer 30 minutes into the film, DS9 brought in the Female Changeling early on, Borg Queen appeared in First Contact), I like what R. Moore has done with the franchise.  It's kinda hard to hate the Cylon 6 model, hehe.

IMHO, I think it has a chance of meeting original B5 standards and putting Enterprise in trouble.  Another thing in the new series' favor is the casting of the Apollo character.  It's played by the actor that did Archie Kennedy in the Horatio Hornblower mini-series.  That shows that BSG is serious about getting young, hungry, quality actors on the potential level of Patrick Stewart in the series.  I'm also a Hornblower fan.  


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FormerDM

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2003, 10:22:55 am »
Quote:

Of course the UFO idea really started with Captain Scarlet.

Or maybe not, but at least I think they had a similar premise.  



In a way, yes. More of an evolution really.

UFO was the first Gerry Anderson series to feature actual actors instead of puppets.

Very abridged production order:
SuperCar->Fireball XL5->Stingray->Thunderbirds->Captain Scarlet->UFO->Space 1999  

Captain KoraH

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2003, 10:23:19 am »
Oh alderon how little thou doest know about how the world turns....   "Fan Boys" have every right to effect a tv show they are fans of. And I suppose you would be called a "Fan Boy" of SFC by those who think it's an overrated game, like Gamespy does. Does that make you feel like you have less claim to ask Taldren to keep patching it?  What a fool...

Dogmatix!

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2003, 10:29:19 am »
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Space: 1999.  A base is on the moon.  Mostly science station, but they dispose of nuclear waste.  Something goes wrong and there is a massive explosion propelling the Moon out into space.  Before long they are out of range of earth and stuck on the moon.  They then encounter various aliens, and stuff as Moonbase Alpha continues on it's course, they are hoping that they will be able to reach a planet that is habitable by humans before they run out of supplies, etc.  






...and anyone interested in watching Space 1999 can now pick it up on DVD.  I have acquired half of the episodes so far, myself.  Loved the show as a kid...still very fun to watch.  It's a pretty expensive series to own in its entirety, though.

Dogmatix!

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2003, 10:31:19 am »
Quote:

Little known fact: Space 1999 was originally season 2 of UFO. Alpha Moonbase was intended to be SHADO HQ.

The investors became skittish after UFO ratings drooped a bit in NY and LA markets. Gerry Anderson resold it (they had done much preproduction work on sets, etc) as a new concept. Thus was Space: 1999 born.  





I didn't even know that.  I have all of UFO on DVD.  That's a fun watch...very 60's in its sociology.