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Tumulorum Fossor

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #140 on: September 17, 2003, 07:51:44 pm »
Geez.  I didn't even KNOW about a BSG remake until I read this post.  And then I read the story about how the creators are... ahem... "reinterpreting" the storyline.

Well, I guess it is the producers' perogative to take creative license and change things up a bit (see multiple threads: "SFB is not SFC." ), but what really pi$$es me off about stuff like this is the blatant pandering.

I mean, let's call this what it is: the creative license that was used here, I strongly suspect, was NOT because it suddenly makes the BSG storyline much more interesting.  It's to make it more marketable.  Period.

That's the formula that post-Roddenberry Trek has gone by with [sarcasm/] great success [/sarcasm off].  

For example, I have nothing against a strong, dominant, fighter-pilot female main character.  But when it's deliberately done to replace "Starbuck" simply to make the show more palatable across more demographics, well, that just smacks of making creative changes for the wrong reasons.  And I'm sure the rest of the show will do likewise.

Amazing that producers like these tap into a cult-phenomenon that's lasted 30+ years, with the goal of decimating everything that made it so appealing for 30+ years.

Then again, it's entirely likely that I'm becoming an old[er] fart.  And against change for change's sake.  After all, SFC3 was/is more fun than I initially gave it credit for, just a different experience than SFB/SFC/SFC2.  Maybe the same will be true for BSG.

But I ain't holding my breathe.


So I WILL give BSG a chance.  I'll watch as much as I can stomach.  But at the first sign of blatant Demographic Pandering, the channel gets changed.  I suspect that means I'll be changing the channel about 25% through the cast introduction sequence.

[more sarcasm/] Gee, I hope they change that lousy orchestral theme with a Bon Jovi vocal ballad! [/more sarcasm off].

-TF
 

Lepton1

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #141 on: September 17, 2003, 09:01:28 pm »
BSG sucks and always has.  Not that I didn't watch it and enjoy it as a KID, but give me a break, it is pretty shoddy work.  And that horrible 1984 series!  Whew!!  Talk about a venue to sell toys to kids.  It's about time they did something with it.  Frankly from reading a bit of the screen play reviews it sounds a bit more substantial than the original BSG ever was.  But I also am not expecting anything great from the SciFi channel.  Their Dune series is a snoring bore, and they would rather air horror movies than than SciFi.  We know their demographic by looking at Scare Tactics.  Any thoughtful philosophical SciFi heads watching that show, not!  Is StarTrek TOS to be found anywhere on their dang network even though they seem to own the rights to show it??  No!  What did you expect??

Parislord

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #142 on: September 17, 2003, 09:14:53 pm »
I don't see any problem with reinterpreting a couple of the original charcters as female, provided they keep the general personalities faithufl to Starbuck and Boomer.  Who says a femaile can't be a swashbuckling fighter jock?  I just hope they don't try to pull a Wingcommander and make this show another 90210 in space.

For my own part, I'm not sure who could have filled Dirk Benedict's shoes very well.  I'm just suprised SciFi didn't get some british actor with a swank accent and no talent to play to part...

Who would all of you have picked?  I kind of like Richard Dean Anderson for it, but he's a little old.
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La'ra

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #143 on: September 18, 2003, 06:29:48 am »
Something just kind of occured to me.

The original Battlestar Galactica was horribly cheesy, had terrible effects and a mystic subplot, and the women were very ERA with long hair and no bras.

The new Battlestar Galactica is portraying itself as edgy and 'new' but keeping a familiar name for advertising purposes, has replaced male characters with foxy women, and added an element of 'we don't know who they are!' about the Cylons.  Baltar is young and dark and handsome, his Cylon friend is a Victoria Secret model.

Say what you want to, both do reflect the times they were made it so well it's scary.  

Sten

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2003, 07:53:30 am »
I intend to watch the series and keep an open mind.

As far as females replacing a few chareacters.

Duke Nukem said it best. "Shake it baby. Shake it."

Dogmatix!

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2003, 11:56:37 am »
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BSG sucks and always has.  Not that I didn't watch it and enjoy it as a KID, but give me a break, it is pretty shoddy work.  And that horrible 1984 series!  Whew!!  Talk about a venue to sell toys to kids.  It's about time they did something with it.  Frankly from reading a bit of the screen play reviews it sounds a bit more substantial than the original BSG ever was.  But I also am not expecting anything great from the SciFi channel.  Their Dune series is a snoring bore, and they would rather air horror movies than than SciFi.  We know their demographic by looking at Scare Tactics.  Any thoughtful philosophical SciFi heads watching that show, not!  Is StarTrek TOS to be found anywhere on their dang network even though they seem to own the rights to show it??  No!  What did you expect??  




Good morning, Sunshine!


 

Captain KoraH

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2003, 11:59:32 am »
I have nothing agsinst those who say "I'm going to give it a try, and keep an open mind", really I don't. But for me there is a time for an open mind and a time to shut the door. One of our biggest problems in America nowadays is that people feel like everything should be given a chance. That leads to good change in some cases and bad change in others. Why do we need lawsuits against MacDonalds because their coffee is too hot? Why do we even consider letting a home invader sue the home owner for shooting him? Because some people's minds are open to anything, which is NOT as good as having sound judgement to begin with. But, when the first 30 minutes of this new series is nothing but sex, pointless violence and destroyed dreams, don't come back here to say "you were right KoraH, this thing sucks" because I already know it will, weather it's true to the original or not. And I'll still be your friend despite your lack of judgement.  

Captain KoraH

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2003, 12:05:59 pm »
I just want to add that any show that includes a sex craving cybernetic supermodel that is named "6 of 12" by an ex-producer of Voyager, is clearly setting it's self up for failure. I heard rumors Paramount is suing them for coppying 7 of 9.  

Sten

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #148 on: September 18, 2003, 12:18:29 pm »
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I have nothing agsinst those who say "I'm going to give it a try, and keep an open mind", really I don't. But for me there is a time for an open mind and a time to shut the door. One of our biggest problems in America nowadays is that people feel like everything should be given a chance. That leads to good change in some cases and bad change in others. Why do we need lawsuits against MacDonalds because their coffee is too hot? Why do we even consider letting a home invader sue the home owner for shooting him? Because some people's minds are open to anything, which is NOT as good as having sound judgement to begin with. But, when the first 30 minutes of this new series is nothing but sex, pointless violence and destroyed dreams, don't come back here to say "you were right KoraH, this thing sucks" because I already know it will, weather it's true to the original or not. And I'll still be your friend despite your lack of judgement.  




Whether this show sucks or not. The fact of the matter is it has already been made.

I have been watching science fiction for 42 of my 43 years I have spent on this planet. Yes I can remember the first SCI-FI movie I watched. I was alittle over 1 year old.

So yea I will give it a shot and keep an open mind. Apparently you are not. That is your choice. Don't watch the show. Go ahead and shut the door.

I happen to live in a state were it is legal to shoot someone on your property if you feel threatend. So I will not have to worry about being sued for keeping an open mind. Mind you anybody threatening me, my family or my property on my property will die.

You don't like the new twist for BSG oh well. The original was okay. I watched it all the time and was buymmed out when it was canceled. Hated the 1980s version.

So as far as a lack of judgement personally I feel you are falling into the same category.

SHAKE IT BABY SHAKE IT!

David Ferrell

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #149 on: September 18, 2003, 12:25:55 pm »
Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave
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Sten

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #150 on: September 18, 2003, 12:43:29 pm »
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Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  




Tsk tsk. I was smart enough to delete SFC3 and retain EAW and OP.

 

Dogmatix!

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #151 on: September 18, 2003, 01:12:22 pm »
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Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  





Wow.

TalonClaw

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #152 on: September 18, 2003, 01:47:21 pm »
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Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  




A rather graphic representation of how it is.  The Entertainment industry has learned that they can shovel us all the poop we can eat simply because we gobble up anything that is a sequel to something we know and love.

ActiveX

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #153 on: September 18, 2003, 01:55:29 pm »
Lookit the slams...yeeeouch...

TalonClaw

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #154 on: September 18, 2003, 02:06:58 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  




Tsk tsk. I was smart enough to delete SFC3 and retain EAW and OP.

 





Touché Fred.  I can see where a SFB fan might have that point of view.  Not being a SFBer and being a TOS and a Next Gen fan I liked SFC3 but I do wish it could have been built on EAW and OP's strengths and not been dumbed down.  But it still has it's own features and I still play it.

But as for BSG they are totally making a new show based on sex and violence and putting the BSG name on it to sell it.  That?s not what BSG was all about.    

Sure BSG was cheesy but so was TOS.  The characters, story, and messages presented is what made those series so great.  

BSG and Star Trek were awsome given the budgets and technology of the time.
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Sten

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #155 on: September 18, 2003, 02:15:41 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  




A rather graphic representation of how it is.  The Entertainment industry has learned that they can shovel us all the poop we can eat simply because we gobble up anything that is a sequel to something we know and love.  




Actually I think the original comments are a graphic representation of what is still wrong with the Unted States.

Rather than get preachy here. Intolerance is a sad fact of life. I am quite capable of deciding for myself what I find entertaining. So if Apollo and Starbuck in the sack distrubs you don't watch it.

This thread reminds me of the Trekies who freaked out when James T Kirk took a dirt nap.

Or how about the... Its based on SFB its not SFB, its SFC.

Its a Television show for crying out load.

TalonClaw

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #156 on: September 18, 2003, 03:05:58 pm »
Then call it Apollo and Starbuck in the sack.  It's no longer a family show and does not deserve the BSG name.

Captain Krenn

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #157 on: September 18, 2003, 03:24:51 pm »
Yikes!

I think Dave's having a bad day and needs to head out for a few margaritas!

Go get 1 or 2 and mail me the bill, I'll be happy to buy you a couple of rounds
 

Lepton1

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2003, 03:36:44 pm »
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Quote:

Some people it appears don't have the intelligence when confronted
with a pile of dog poop to not put it in their mouths.  Frankly it sickens me.

Dave  




Tsk tsk. I was smart enough to delete SFC3 and retain EAW and OP.

 




Zing!!!  David.  Place.  Put.   HEHE!!!

I really don't understand Dave's reaction here.  BSG was not good enough to get upset about.   I suppose B9 is all that and a bag chips right and not some Shadowrun meets Oni rip off.  Your moral indignation or whatever it is is ludicruous.  Try banning yourself.

NannerSlug

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Re: OT: Battlestar Galactica miniseries boycott
« Reply #159 on: September 18, 2003, 03:38:15 pm »
the new bsg is the complete opposite of what the orginal bsg was.

i loved watching bsg when i was a kid.. the good guys were good.. and the baddies were that.. the script was forward looking at what is good in us..

this script is nothing more than an election year bush bashing pile of political mush which looks and exploits what is bad about us.

sorry if this is sappy, but i like watching things that talk about what is good and right - and how we can over come struggles.. not about how everyone is out to screw each other and how there is a lie underneath ever rock.

poor script. sorry.