Topic: SFB USS BUrke ready for DL, re-envisioned by me

[Kaenyne]

Yeah, it seemed as though the Reliant did have some tactical advantages like the rear firing torpedo,
but has the "megaphaser" ever been officially established? I know I've seen the term used in fan produced (i.e. NONcanon) books and such, but not in any official works.  

[Bernard Guignard]

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Can someone post a link to any sites that have schematics and/or 4/5 view pics of the SFB ships?

Atra, great looking ships, as usual. I agree that the Miranda style NCL in SFC is a little unreal. I mean, Khan did a good job against the Enterprise, and it seemed to me that the ships were pretty evenly matched.

 

Hi Sandman
    What your asking for is very rare not much has been created in 4 and 5 view pictures for sfb ships.
 
  The yahoo groups TreknoGraphx List has Schematics for the original Burke class and Kearsarge class.  To join the group see my new sig line below.  

 The official Starfleet Battles web site has the Starline 2200 painting guides these vary in quality and number of illustrations
the url is  Starfleet Battles

The SFB Nexus has 3d model views of the various SFB ships but not all.
the url is  web page

Mike's starfleet battles page has nice pictures of the miniatures all painted up and looking pretty snazzy.
the url is Mikes Starfleet Battles page

You can also look at the star trek Schematic data base they have a few SFB ship schematics but alot of that is
pulled from the paint guides.

I hope that I helped you out  

[Chrystoff]

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Yeah, it seemed as though the Reliant did have some tactical advantages like the rear firing torpedo,
but has the "megaphaser" ever been officially established? I know I've seen the term used in fan produced (i.e. NONcanon) books and such, but not in any official works.

 
I agree. It's just that I am a HUGE Mastercom Data Fan, and I like their explanation of things. Besides which, it seemed to me that the Reliant's phasers had a heck of a lot of output than the Enterprise's. I accept the megaphaser as canon because I feel that I actually saw it in use in ST:TWOK. Only my opinion.  

[Kaenyne]

You may very well be correct, Chrystoff. I myself was hoping that the megapahser was canon.

Even if it isn't, it's still a cool idea.  

[Marauth]

That's a common misunderstanding - the Reliant did not have megaphasers, nor did any Miranda class ship, if you watch the fight between the 2 you see the Reliant fire the phasers on the pylons almost sideways on to the Enterprise and they are clearly the same burst pattern as the ordinary phasers on the Enterprise's saucer, maybe they were intended by the model builder to be 'megaphasers' but in the film they certainly were not. The Reliant only had better maneuovrability than the Enterprise because she shot up the Ent's warp core causing her to lose most of her power, we don't really know how the 2 compare when in top-condition except that the Reliant has rear firing torpedos which didn't help her much anyway coz they missed

[Rogue]

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Now that you've all enjoyed the Burke, might I offer the USS Kearsarge as well?  

I dunno man... too many way cool starships in one sitting...  

Why of course you can you silly English Ka-nigit. (Monty Python for knight) Your Kearsarge is excellence Atrahasis. I highly approve of the proportions. If it is ever a call between the canon way and atistic interpritation, go with your artistic interpritation every time. That has to be a good part of the fun in this. Fun always trumps.

Do you think you will be moving into the TMP era down the road? I've been crossing my fingers that you develop a desire to refit your Ptolemy. Granted it is only one or two of that vessal but still it add a little joy to tug battle. In the mean time I will be trying to tame my XP box to play SFC. I've got to figure that one out.

Peace to you, ye  master of da mesh and texture.    

[Chrystoff]

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That's a common misunderstanding - the Reliant did not have megaphasers, nor did any Miranda class ship, if you watch the fight between the 2 you see the Reliant fire the phasers on the pylons almost sideways on to the Enterprise and they are clearly the same burst pattern as the ordinary phasers on the Enterprise's saucer, maybe they were intended by the model builder to be 'megaphasers' but in the film they certainly were not. The Reliant only had better maneuovrability than the Enterprise because she shot up the Ent's warp core causing her to lose most of her power, we don't really know how the 2 compare when in top-condition except that the Reliant has rear firing torpedos which didn't help her much anyway coz they missed  

Gosh-darn it TVL. Now look what you've done! Now I have to pop some popcorn, make some Kool-Aid, get comfy on my favorite sofa, and watch ST:TWOK (on DVD, of course ). I hate when that happens! Tough job, but I guess it's got to be done.    

[Bernard Guignard]

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Yeah, it seemed as though the Reliant did have some tactical advantages like the rear firing torpedo,
but has the "megaphaser" ever been officially established? I know I've seen the term used in fan produced (i.e. NONcanon) books and such, but not in any official works.

 
I agree. It's just that I am a HUGE Mastercom Data Fan, and I like their explanation of things. Besides which, it seemed to me that the Reliant's phasers had a heck of a lot of output than the Enterprise's. I accept the megaphaser as canon because I feel that I actually saw it in use in ST:TWOK. Only my opinion.    

Hi Chrystoff
    Keep in mind that When Kahn fired the first salvo the Enterprise was unshielded so any damage taken even by regular phasers would have been very damaging. I'm also a huge mastercom data fan and I'm also  a huge Jackill's fan and
starfleet Prototype fan. great books all  

[Chrystoff]

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 I'm also a huge mastercom data fan and I'm also  a huge Jackill's fan and starfleet Prototype fan. great books all

You know that's right!   I wish there could be a reprint of every one of those books.  

[sandman69247]

Thanx! That does help. The way I model is, I go through all the pics and images and schematics I can find until something jumps out at me, then I try and model it. Now with these links, I have more to look at and hopefully more models to come.

 

[Bernard Guignard]

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 I'm also a huge mastercom data fan and I'm also  a huge Jackill's fan and starfleet Prototype fan. great books all

You know that's right!   I wish there could be a reprint of every one of those books.  

Well there is a rumor that Todd Guenther may be starting up his Ships of the Star Fleet series again.  I miss the GEC(Galactic Engineers Concordance) I was a member of that group and sent in some contributions.Some of the ship schematics that were submitted and published in its quarterly newsletter were radical, you had a great mix of articles from tos to TNG eras. unfortunatley one person was doing alot of the work and it got to be too much for him especially, when 80 percent of the submissions came from 20 percent of the membership. I bet he would absouloutley love to see the work that is being done on these forums. It never ceases to amaze me as to the quality of work and passion that is put into these ship models.  Thanks for making the game great guys  

[Chrystoff]

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It never ceases to amaze me as to the quality of work and passion that is put into these ship models.  Thanks for making the game great guys

I second that motion!!  

[Rod O'neal]

let me add my cheers to your fan section. They look fantastic

Might you do an NCA version of the Kearsarge? There's a rear perspective shot of it on Module R10. I can scan it and send it to you if you don't have a pic. Since all you add is a rear deck and a 3rd nacelle, that should give you all you need to convert it.  

[Atrahasis]

I would indeed enjoy making a varinag of the NCL.......in fact I would like to do the War Destroyer as well. Pics of both would be nice.

[Atrahasis]

Also, about the "megaphasers" deal......I always liked the idea, even though it's not canon per se, but the fact is that those cannons seem physically heftier than the standard type of phaser. The Reliant was simply a heavier-ermed ship than the Enterprise, imo, because it has 4 torp tubes total, in addition to the 12 saucer phasers, in addition to those big phaser cannons. In contrast, the Enterprise has the 12 saucer phasers, 2 torp tubes, and 6 sec hull phaser emplacements. Do those 6 single-mount phasers equal or exceed two extra Torp tubes + two phaser cannons? That is the question. I personally think they don't, especially if those phaser cannons have two firing chambers each (fore and aft) which means we're talking about 4 cannons total + two torp tubes, which easily exceeds 6 single phaser emplacements.  

[ActiveX]

More guns dun mean sheeit if you dun have the warp core to power them or the shields to protect them...

I recall it being very important for the Reliant's shields to be down...