Topic: SFB USS BUrke ready for DL, re-envisioned by me (Read 5094 times)

Captain Ron · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2003, 03:51:14 am »

Cool Deal and a Nice ship too!

Thanks!

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2003, 04:08:13 am »

Very nice ship. New SFB stuff is always a welcome sight. Excellent job.

wanderer · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2003, 05:33:59 am »

Wow, excellent, Atra, just awesome. This trumps everything else I have for Fed frigates. Bring on the SFB!

starforce2 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2003, 05:38:57 am »

Gimmie a size on this baby and I'll have some nice BC pix for ya later today

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2003, 07:13:37 am »

Hi Atrahasis
Thanks for sharing this beauty with us

Atrahasis · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2003, 08:17:08 am »

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Wow, excellent, Atra, just awesome. This trumps everything else I have for Fed frigates. Bring on the SFB!

You should wait for my Burke+ which will have those square engines on it and more TMP-ish details, making it suitable for the F-FFG and all the plasma and drone variants.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2003, 08:22:12 am »

By the way, I'm wondering if there are any flipped poly issues with this one because I didn't test it in-game before I put her out.

Next on my list is the Kearsarge NCL, which is coming along nicely.

Rogue · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:46:55 am »

Very nice. Very nice indeed. You know I downloaded her.

Allow me to throw something out there to see what you think. Deflector dishes. Federation deflector dishes. You know how aircraft have the radar dishes covered with a fiberglass nose cone? Do you think it could be passed off in that way for Federation models? That the deflector dishes exist in the leading edge of the primary hull but are enclosed in a non metalic and electricly transparent material? Excluding models like the constitution where they are integral to the secondary hull. Although I don't know how a navigational/deflector field would be related to physics I would have to think it to be a function of the warp field or perhaps an electromagnetic one. Thoughts?

PS. This is one thing that captures my imagination about this stuff. Trying to figure out how the physics of Star Trek works.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2003, 12:41:17 pm »

I like figuring stuff like that out too. In "Ships of the Starfleet" some ships got rid of the big clumsy deflector dishes and had slim rectangular deflector emitters at the leading edge of the saucer, like you suggested, called "WADE defelctor units". I think they must work better when the emitters are outside of the hull, I imagine because a starship's hull, unlike the nose of a jet aircraft, would be shielded and reinforced to keep OUT radiation as much as possible. The reason the radar dish is inside a nosecone on a jet plane I might add is because you need a pointy aerodynamic leading edge to pierce the wind resistance, whereas it would probably be better for the radar to be uncovered, like on an awacs plane or an aegis ship. That said, it's probably better for defelctors to be outside the ship as well, because they not only emit gravitons and EM but can be configured to emit all sorts of interesting things, as we've seen, which a hull might interfere with.

Captain Ron · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2003, 12:48:27 pm »

Heat

Heat would still be the number one kiler everything generates it. if yu llok atthe TOS connie those grills behind the dish are more than likily radaitors rather than anything else. as they can do more with less power you can move them inside.

E_Look · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2003, 12:54:06 pm »

Thank you for including SFC1 versions!

You and WZ are the only ones who make it a point to include it. Kudos to (both of) you for the extra effort.

Um, now for a stupid question: what's the difference between the Detroyat just released and the ones you released way back when? Changes in the shape (mesh) or textural? (I haven't installed it yet, though I will as soon as I can!)

Atrahasis · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2003, 12:58:11 pm »

Now that you've all enjoyed the Burke, might I offer the USS Kearsarge as well?

Yeah yeah I know some diagrams have the ship with extraordinarily SMALL engines, but that's a load of malarky in my opinion, because it makes those 12-point engines smaller than the engines on the Burke, which are only 6-point engines. Also, there are plenty of drawings and paintings of the NCL with large engines such as these, which are still not as large as a Connie's but much larger than the Burke's. The bottom of the saucer is similar to that of the Napoleon-class heavy carrier, another one I have to re-do.

Marauth · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2003, 01:24:55 pm »

The thing is even if you shoot at it straight away it's probably safer than a deflector integrated into the secondary hull of ships like the constitution because as we saw in First Contact you gotta be real careful round the deflector. If it gets shot at when unshielded it would tear open half of the secondary hull on a Sovereign - imagine how much damage it would cause on a smaller ship like the Connie!

I believe it was because it stores antiprotons - why I don't know, but even a few of them can cause some rather large explosions - mutual annihilation of half a starship anyone?

Edit: one tiny, tiny, tiny thing I noticed Atra, the running lights on your Detroyat, Burke and Kearsarge are back to front, in the show they're red on teh left and green on teh right while u've got 'em the other way round - it's no biggie as I'm sure no one but me noticed that and I fixed 'em all in a few minutes so

Kaenyne · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2003, 02:13:54 pm »

All your models are superb, Atrahasis!

I have very few TOS ships and I'm aloways on the lookout for new ones.

I'm especially looking forward to your renditions of the Constitution and Bohomme Richard Classes ...

sandman69247 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 16, 2003, 03:08:09 pm »

Can someone post a link to any sites that have schematics and/or 4/5 view pics of the SFB ships?

Atra, great looking ships, as usual.

I agree that the Miranda style NCL in SFC is a little unreal. I mean, Khan did a good job against the Enterprise, and it seemed to me that the ships were pretty evenly matched.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #20 on:** September 16, 2003, 03:31:38 pm »

Yeah, it seemed as though the Reliant did have some tactical advantages like the rear firing torpedo,
but has the "megaphaser" ever been officially established? I know I've seen the term used in fan produced (i.e. NONcanon) books and such, but not in any official works.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2003, 03:53:31 pm »

You may very well be correct, Chrystoff. I myself was hoping that the megapahser was canon.

Even if it isn't, it's still a cool idea.

Marauth · « **Reply #24 on:** September 16, 2003, 04:07:36 pm »

That's a common misunderstanding - the Reliant did not have megaphasers, nor did any Miranda class ship, if you watch the fight between the 2 you see the Reliant fire the phasers on the pylons almost sideways on to the Enterprise and they are clearly the same burst pattern as the ordinary phasers on the Enterprise's saucer, maybe they were intended by the model builder to be 'megaphasers' but in the film they certainly were not. The Reliant only had better maneuovrability than the Enterprise because she shot up the Ent's warp core causing her to lose most of her power, we don't really know how the 2 compare when in top-condition except that the Reliant has rear firing torpedos which didn't help her much anyway coz they missed

sandman69247 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 16, 2003, 05:58:26 pm »

Thanx! That does help. The way I model is, I go through all the pics and images and schematics I can find until something jumps out at me, then I try and model it.

Now with these links, I have more to look at and hopefully more models to come.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #32 on:** September 16, 2003, 10:42:07 pm »

let me add my cheers to your fan section. They look fantastic

Might you do an NCA version of the Kearsarge? There's a rear perspective shot of it on Module R10. I can scan it and send it to you if you don't have a pic. Since all you add is a rear deck and a 3rd nacelle, that should give you all you need to convert it.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2003, 12:24:56 am »

I would indeed enjoy making a varinag of the NCL.......in fact I would like to do the War Destroyer as well. Pics of both would be nice.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2003, 12:55:19 am »

Also, about the "megaphasers" deal......I always liked the idea, even though it's not canon per se, but the fact is that those cannons seem physically heftier than the standard type of phaser. The Reliant was simply a heavier-ermed ship than the Enterprise, imo, because it has 4 torp tubes total, in addition to the 12 saucer phasers, in addition to those big phaser cannons. In contrast, the Enterprise has the 12 saucer phasers, 2 torp tubes, and 6 sec hull phaser emplacements. Do those 6 single-mount phasers equal or exceed two extra Torp tubes + two phaser cannons? That is the question. I personally think they don't, especially if those phaser cannons have two firing chambers each (fore and aft) which means we're talking about 4 cannons total + two torp tubes, which easily exceeds 6 single phaser emplacements.

ActiveX · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2003, 02:25:58 am »

More guns dun mean sheeit if you dun have the warp core to power them or the shields to protect them...

I recall it being very important for the Reliant's shields to be down...

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