Topic: SFB USS BUrke ready for DL, re-envisioned by me

[Atrahasis]

[Captain Ron]

Cool Deal and a Nice ship too!

Thanks!

[Desty_Nova]

Very nice ship. New SFB stuff is always a welcome sight. Excellent job.

[wanderer]

Wow, excellent, Atra, just awesome. This trumps everything else I have for Fed frigates. Bring on the SFB!  

[starforce2]

Gimmie a size on this baby and I'll have some nice BC pix for ya later today

[Bernard Guignard]

Hi Atrahasis
   Thanks for sharing this beauty with us    

[Atrahasis]

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Wow, excellent, Atra, just awesome. This trumps everything else I have for Fed frigates. Bring on the SFB!  

You should wait for my Burke+ which will have those square engines on it and more TMP-ish details, making it suitable for the F-FFG and all the plasma and drone variants.  

[Atrahasis]

By the way, I'm wondering if there are any flipped poly issues with this one because I didn't test it in-game before I put her out.

Next on my list is the Kearsarge NCL, which is coming along nicely.

[Rogue]

Very nice. Very nice indeed. You know I downloaded her.

Allow me to throw something out there to see what you think. Deflector dishes. Federation deflector dishes. You know how aircraft have the radar dishes covered with a fiberglass nose cone? Do you think it could be passed off in that way for Federation models? That the deflector dishes exist in the leading edge of the primary hull but are enclosed in a non metalic and electricly transparent material? Excluding models like the constitution where they are integral to the secondary hull. Although I don't know how a navigational/deflector field would be related to physics I would have to think it to be a function of the warp field or perhaps an electromagnetic one. Thoughts?

PS. This is one thing that captures my imagination about this stuff. Trying to figure out how the physics of Star Trek works.  

[Atrahasis]

I like figuring stuff like that out too. In "Ships of the Starfleet" some ships got rid of the big clumsy deflector dishes and had slim rectangular deflector emitters at the leading edge of the saucer, like you suggested, called "WADE defelctor units". I think they must work better when the emitters are outside of the hull, I imagine because a starship's hull, unlike the nose of a jet aircraft, would be shielded and reinforced to keep OUT radiation as much as possible. The reason the radar dish is inside a nosecone on a jet plane I might add is because you need a pointy aerodynamic leading edge to pierce the wind resistance, whereas it would probably be better for the radar to be uncovered, like on an awacs plane or an aegis ship. That said, it's probably better for defelctors to be outside the ship as well, because they not only emit gravitons and EM but can be configured to emit all sorts of interesting things, as we've seen, which a hull might interfere with.    

[Captain Ron]

Heat

Heat would still be the number one kiler everything generates it. if yu llok atthe TOS connie those grills behind the dish are more than likily radaitors rather than anything else. as they can do more with less power you can move them inside.

[E_Look]

Thank you for including SFC1 versions!

You and WZ are the only ones who make it a point to include it.  Kudos to (both of) you for the extra effort.

Um, now for a stupid question: what's the difference between the Detroyat just released and the ones you released way back when?  Changes in the shape (mesh) or textural?  (I haven't installed it yet, though I will as soon as I can!)

[Atrahasis]

Now that you've all enjoyed the Burke, might I offer the USS Kearsarge as well?



Yeah yeah I know some diagrams have the ship with extraordinarily SMALL engines, but that's a load of malarky in my opinion, because it makes those 12-point engines smaller than the engines on the Burke, which are only 6-point engines. Also, there are plenty of drawings and paintings of the NCL with large engines such as these, which are still not as large as a Connie's but much larger than the Burke's. The bottom of the saucer is similar to that of the Napoleon-class heavy carrier, another one I have to re-do.  

[Chrystoff]

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I like figuring stuff like that out too. In "Ships of the Starfleet" some ships got rid of the big clumsy deflector dishes and had slim rectangular deflector emitters at the leading edge of the saucer, like you suggested, called "WADE defelctor units". I think they must work better when the emitters are outside of the hull, I imagine because a starship's hull, unlike the nose of a jet aircraft, would be shielded and reinforced to keep OUT radiation as much as possible. The reason the radar dish is inside a nosecone on a jet plane I might add is because you need a pointy aerodynamic leading edge to pierce the wind resistance, whereas it would probably be better for the radar to be uncovered, like on an awacs plane or an aegis ship. That said, it's probably better for defelctors to be outside the ship as well, because they not only emit gravitons and EM but can be configured to emit all sorts of interesting things, as we've seen, which a hull might interfere with.

That sounds like pretty good logic. I would also think that in combat, the large deflector dish on this particular vessel would be a liability. It would be one of the first things I'd shoot at.  

[Marauth]

The thing is even if you shoot at it straight away it's probably safer than a deflector integrated into the secondary hull of ships like the constitution because as we saw in First Contact you gotta be real careful round the deflector. If it gets shot at when unshielded it would tear open half of the secondary hull on a Sovereign - imagine how much damage it would cause on a smaller ship like the Connie! I believe it was because it stores antiprotons - why I don't know, but even a few of them can cause some rather large explosions - mutual annihilation of half a starship anyone?

Edit: one tiny, tiny, tiny thing I noticed Atra, the running lights on your Detroyat, Burke and Kearsarge are back to front, in the show they're red on teh left and green on teh right while u've got 'em the other way round - it's no biggie as I'm sure no one but me noticed that and I fixed 'em all in a few minutes so

[Kaenyne]

All your models are superb, Atrahasis!

I have very few TOS ships and I'm aloways on the lookout for new ones.

I'm especially looking forward to your renditions of the Constitution and Bohomme Richard Classes ...

[Bernard Guignard]

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Now that you've all enjoyed the Burke, might I offer the USS Kearsarge as well?



Yeah yeah I know some diagrams have the ship with extraordinarily SMALL engines, but that's a load of malarky in my opinion, because it makes those 12-point engines smaller than the engines on the Burke, which are only 6-point engines. Also, there are plenty of drawings and paintings of the NCL with large engines such as these, which are still not as large as a Connie's but much larger than the Burke's. The bottom of the saucer is similar to that of the Napoleon-class heavy carrier, another one I have to re-do.  

Hi Atrahasis
    The reason the schematics I provided you  have such Small warp engines is because the miniature that I measured to create the schematic was the original series of ADB miniatures made in Lead. Since then ADB has reworked and released
a new Kearsarge miniature with larger engines. I don't have the money currently to bring my sfb miniature stock up to date.  Looking at pictures of the miniature I'd guess that the engines would be 10 to 15 percent smaller than the Constitution engines they also made the model one piece no assembly required except for the stand. So your right on the money using
those engines it makes the ship look great looking forward to its release  

[Chrystoff]

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Now that you've all enjoyed the Burke, might I offer the USS Kearsarge as well?

I can't wait to get home and D/L this beauty. Even though it's a saucer/nacelle ship, it still manages to look elegant.  

[sandman69247]

Can someone post a link to any sites that have schematics and/or 4/5 view pics of the SFB ships?

Atra, great looking ships, as usual. I agree that the Miranda style NCL in SFC is a little unreal. I mean, Khan did a good job against the Enterprise, and it seemed to me that the ships were pretty evenly matched.

 

[Chrystoff]

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Khan did a good job against the Enterprise, and it seemed to me that the ships were pretty evenly matched.

That's right. In fact, the Reliant actually had some things that were BETTER than Enterprise, such as rear firing photorps, megaphaser canon, and better manuverability. I do think that Enterprise's power output was much greater, at least until the engineering section got shot up.