Topic: Advice to make OP run on WinXP machine (Read 11515 times)

RingWraith 413 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:30:35 pm »

I see that your using PC3200 RAM. I just read in the new issue of Maximum PC magazine that running your RAM asynchronously of your CPU may not work very well with Nvidia chipset motherboards. Try setting the memory clock speed to match your CPU in the bios (133). And JD makes a good point about power supplies. Antec, Vantec and Enermax all make very good PS's.

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Captain Krenn · « **Reply #41 on:** September 26, 2003, 08:50:56 am »

Ran some tests last night in single player campaign, everthing worked AOK.

then did some gaming on the Dyna servers, no problems.

I did have some darn MS message pop up and crash the game from the messenger service.

Stupid pop up window saying "Your computer is leaking your iP address to everyone on the web. Log on our sight
...blah, blah, blah..."

Turned off messenger service

I hate people who try to exploit other people like that.

Rogue · « **Reply #42 on:** September 26, 2003, 03:46:46 pm »

Thank you folks for all of the thoughtful advice. I'm going to give it another go this weekend and see what happens.

Power supply? Perhaps... It is a moderate 350 Watt power supply. I have noticed a number of people running 450 Watts and more. I have thought to unplug other devices to lower the power drain but I shouldn't rule that out as a potential problem.

The PC3200 could certainly be the problem. I'll give the lower setting a try.

Captain Krenn... you are my hero this week. You system is a close parallel of mine and your willingness to test is very... very... appreciated. I understand about the messenger crud. I unloaded it from Windows set up if I understand the program correctly. Certainly something I would have little use for.

KBF-JD · « **Reply #43 on:** September 26, 2003, 08:19:14 pm »

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Thank you folks for all of the thoughtful advice. I'm going to give it another go this weekend and see what happens.

Power supply? Perhaps... It is a moderate 350 Watt power supply. I have noticed a number of people running 450 Watts and more. I have thought to unplug other devices to lower the power drain but I shouldn't rule that out as a potential problem.

The PC3200 could certainly be the problem. I'll give the lower setting a try.

Captain Krenn... you are my hero this week. You system is a close parallel of mine and your willingness to test is very... very... appreciated. I understand about the messenger crud. I unloaded it from Windows set up if I understand the program correctly. Certainly something I would have little use for.

Quality is more important than quanity(watts)

"And JD makes a good point about power supplies. Antec, Vantec and Enermax all make very good PS's. "

Make sure whatever you are running is AMD certified. The ones listed above are fine. I know you can find Antecs at compusa, they are a lot more expensive there, but you can find CompUSA anywhere. You can save a lot of money if you find a local computer shop with good quality PSs and a good rep. A lot of people are selling "P4" certified Power supply/case combos(at very cheap prices) that are not really good for Athlon MB/cpu combos. They work fine for P4s & Celerons.

Athlons often require more juice at some of the voltages that the P4 combos don't use that much.

If it's a software problem, your event log should have some info... If it's it's a "freeze up, it is usually hardware... usually

jd

Rogue · « **Reply #44 on:** October 02, 2003, 08:41:52 pm »

OK, ya'all ready for this. It works!

It wasn't the sound.
It wasn't the memory.
Not XP.
Not the power supply.
Not the mother board.
Not the mother board drivers or any other driver for that matter.

It was never defective to begin with...

I just assumed you had to run it in compatability mode.

It won't run in compatability mode.

You may now have fun at my expense. Gosh, I hate to tell on myself. I don't know whether to feel really happy or really embarased. Let's just say both and leave it at that.

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves and be glad you didn't do what I did and waste so much of your time. Never the less... should someone else run into this... don't make the same assumptiom I made.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #45 on:** October 03, 2003, 08:48:18 am »

Oops

Well, all this fussing with systems settings and getting new sound drivers fixed my sound problems, so something good did come from this

Glad you figured it out!

Rogue · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2003, 10:17:52 am »

The situation...

My dad loves building computers so much that he builds them for his kids and shows up with one as a gift. Yay dad. This is what he put together for me...

-MSI K7N2 delta L mother board. rev 1.3
-Athlon 2700
-ATI 9600 pro
-DirectX 8.1
-1/2 Gig of the fastest Ram it will support
-Realtek ALC650 on board sound
-Zoom 3025c modem
-Maxtor 40 gig of some sort.
-Windows XP pro, service pack 1

The problem is SFC OP wont run. Crash and freeze with no response to keyboard. As the sound is really choppy I would think think DirectX would be the problem. No go. I'm trying to run it at 8.1 which is what this rev. of XP comes with. Tried everything I could with the onboard sound. Tried disabling the onboard sound and using a SoundBlaster PCI 64 card that works with my other computer. Checked all associated drivers with audio/video to find any potential problem. Tried Win98 compatability mode. I installed the ATI card in my old machine (Win98) and it plays fine... I don't believe updating to DX9.1 is going to be useful and roll back is near impossible without rebuilding the OS.

I was going with the theory that if I made DirectX happy all would be well. The dialog and diagnostics seem to show that DX8.1 is in a happy place.

Any ideas?

Rogue · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2003, 08:03:42 am »

Mr. ToastyO,

It works!... It works, it works , it works ,it works!

If this were not a cyberworld that would have earned you a lunch. I'm still skeptical about WinXP but it will run now. For the sake of curiosity... what is the difference between the two .exe's? Is it just the lead in movie and registration? The likely answer should be "I don't know and I don't care." i guess. Which works for me.

I was completely bamboozeled by this one. I was strongly suspecting it would never work on this mother board. Until someone wrote a revision to the drivers at some point. And I wasn't inclined to make a stab at getting MSI tech support to put a fix for SFC on the aggenda. The last thing I think I need to do is see if I can get the swapfile to behave like I could in Win98.

Be good and happy hunting,
Rogue

Carrie · « **Reply #53 on:** September 14, 2003, 02:55:43 pm »

Now that you have OP, make sure you get the latest patch (listed on the forum at the top), and grab OP+ 3.0 (and the EvilDave missionpacks).

Your best bet for that is at Firesoul's site, http://klingon.stasis.ca

Happy hunting to you

3dot14 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 14, 2003, 03:54:20 pm »

I believe the problem is the Movies.

The version of movie player OP (bink?) uses was not designed for XP.

Rogue · « **Reply #55 on:** September 14, 2003, 04:54:22 pm »

Well... as a further update... crash and burn. It seemed to solve the issue at first but upon further testing it still hangs and dies a Windows death.

I really don't know what to make of it. It acts so much like the DirectX problems of the past. Stuttering sound and a big ugly hang. Gee, this computer looks like it ought to be such a wonderful experience but noooo... Oh, what to try next. Let's try Win95 compatability and after that stick a spare hardrive I've got in it to see in Win98 can handle everything. If that doesn't fly I'm back to having to assume the Nvidia chipset drivers wont work with SFC. This is giving me a bad taste for XP even though it probably is not at fault. And because of M$ activation process (which is used up by now) I'm going to have to get a temporary pass to start over from now on. The exact reason I didn't by XP to begin with.

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #56 on:** September 14, 2003, 05:09:28 pm »

I have no idea what your problem is, but it isn't winXP. I have win XP and it works fine. Sounds like drivers to me.

Toasty0 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 14, 2003, 06:48:53 pm »

To add to what P said if you know how to run a dxdialog please do so. Sometimes you can find the cause of a problem that log.

Also, right click "My Computer"-->properties-->Hardware-->device manager. Are there any red Xs or yellow question marks?

Look, XP is a great OS, imho. It's just differenbt from what some folks are used to, and in their MTV-gotta-have-it-last-week lifestyle they are too quick to assume the failing is with the OS instead of their lack of willingness to understand the powerful operating system they just installed.

<RantOn>
If folks want to continue driving a tricycle then they should stay with win98 or winMe and let us Harley riders have our fun! But don't tell us our bikes suck cause they can't manage to keep their Harley upright at the light!</RantOn>

Rogue · « **Reply #59 on:** September 14, 2003, 08:14:58 pm »

Almost all that has been written I have done. ToastyO gave me the alternate StarfleetOP.exe launcher. I'm at the current version of OP. The few things remaining are as follows.

You may have pointed out the one thing I am hesitant to do. I am at DX8.1b. Which says all drivers are certified and passes the diagnostic tests. I did download the Latest DirectX 9 sdk for installation on any MS operating system. That will be one of the last things in the progression as it is such a bear to roll back if not impossible without reinstalling the OS.

I did investigate all associated drivers for the mother board, video card and on board sound system. I don't really believe XP has anything to do with it. I'm just annoyed that I have to contact MS from now on if I want to reinstal the operating system. Which could become necessary with all the driver instal/unistal that I am doing. If I have to make a call at this point I would think that the possible problems would be...

-DirectX needs updating even though it passes the diagnostics.
-The ATI catalyst version is the culprit as I'm using one just high enough for DX8.
-The Nvidia chipset support drivers are at issue.
-Perhaps the RAM isn't the correct type for this mother board.
I didn't build the system so that's a thin possibility. Very thin.

Now one thing I can say is the mother board drivers don't instal like the manual says they will. There is supposed to be an instal for the sound system that is either missing from the CD or some other odd explaination. The system is a Realtek ALC650 chipset. I downloaded the drivers for that system directly from Realtek and they seem to instal like the mother board manual indicates. However I cannot be sure that it will want to play on my mother board. There is no update at MSI's site for the audio as they are included in the all in one Nvidia set up. So darn it. Even disabling it and trying the Creative sound card didn't help. What conlusion can I draw? Perhaps an error was made setting up the drivers for this mother board. I did use both the drivers on the CD and what I downloaded from MSI but they are supposed to be the same. No difference was achieved.

I've spent a lot of time trying to make this fly and I'm putting it on hold for a few days to deal with other things that need my attention. Plus... I just want to blow stuff up after moding OP till it squeels with about everything I can mess with. Models, script, textures... I'm really happy with it but making it work on the new box remains to be pinned down. Either the magic mother board drivers will appear soon or perhaps DX9.0b will be the answer. I'll let you all know what progress has been made when I can make it.

Sincerely, thanks for the thoughtful answers as it is appreciated.

Till then... blow some stuff up... BOOM!

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