Topic: My first model in well over a year! Pics inside (Read 13081 times)

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #80 on:** September 10, 2003, 05:40:59 am »

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I just did some very interesting reading on the Early Years of SFB!

It looks like the Province-class Old Light Cruiser is feasible in the timeline after all because "sublight" in SFB terms means not able to maneuver at warp speeds in combat, not that it doesn't have warp drive at all, and so presumably the modern term "warp drive" means ships that can maneuver at warp speeds in combat. Ships could still travel between stars using powerful impulse engines that warped space. This explanation solves a lot of problems, especially for the Bonaventure galactic survey cruiser which I plan to release, one need not assign a 21st century date for its launch anymore because if it was the "first starship with warp drive" as Scotty says in that episode then it need not be older than the Province-class which is still being used. The Bonnie looks like a modern sister ship to the Connie anyways. The Bonnie and Connie, I like that.

By the way Bernard, have you ever come across an SSD for the Bonnie?

Thanks to everyone else for their input as well.

Hi Atra:
Nothing official ADB is only Licensed to use Franz Joseph's material. I've checked a few fan sites but haven't found anything yet.

E_Look · « **Reply #81 on:** September 10, 2003, 12:43:39 pm »

Atra, OCL?

Wouldn't the Daedalus be OCA? But hey, I'm no SFBer. And, the Daedalus never looked ugly to me because of its being one of the stages in formation of present day TOS CA. Besides, I believe the Soviets once launched a rocket with a module on top that looked like a big beach ball. Anyhow, we'll never know as Teller has just passed away and he could have told us, as he was such a Soviet technology watcher.

Marauth · « **Reply #82 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:06:15 pm »

Daedalus is a bit out of the question with a launch date set around 2161 for the first of the class (2160 if you follow the SFM) besides which all ships of the class were decommisioned before the 23rd C. Even if they were in the Early Years module they would have been on their last legs serving as auxilliary vessels or reserve vessels

Atrahasis · « **Reply #83 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:09:11 pm »

Here are some pics of the Kentucky / Texas / Province class from SFB, and then the Baton Rouge / Moscow / Nordjenskold from Spaceflight Chronology.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #84 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:10:43 pm »

I'd like to do a poll: Which would people prefer for the CL slot: The Texas from SFB or the Baton Rouge?

Texas or Baton Rouge for the CL slot?
Texas
Baton Rouge

E_Look · « **Reply #85 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:46:20 pm »

Again, why CL? Wouldn't the Baton Rouge (what I voted for, anyway) be the CA of its day?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #86 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:49:26 pm »

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Again, why CL? Wouldn't the Baton Rouge (what I voted for, anyway) be the CA of its day?

Actually, in the literature it says that the Baton Rouge worked alongside the Connies, and some Batons were upgraded to Connies. Ships of the Starfleet calls it simply a "cruiser", not a heavy cruiser.

E_Look · « **Reply #87 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:05:45 pm »

Indeed?!

I had always had the impression that they were a generation older (thus way predated) Constitutions!

Although, I did once in a Star Trek comic book, I forget if it was Marvel or DC's, but Capt. Kirk did transfer onto the Big E from the U.S.S. Republic, a Baton Rouge looking kind of ship, when Captain Pike was stepping down as the Enterprise's captain. But I wonder if a comic book can be considered canon!

wanderer · « **Reply #88 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:16:24 pm »

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Again, why CL? Wouldn't the Baton Rouge (what I voted for, anyway) be the CA of its day?

Actually, in the literature it says that the Baton Rouge worked alongside the Connies, and some Batons were upgraded to Connies. Ships of the Starfleet calls it simply a "cruiser", not a heavy cruiser.

Interestingly enough, in the SFB "Historical" Captain's Ship Registry (an Order of Battle type of thing), there is a list for the CA Heavy Cruisers (the Connies) and another list of CA Cruisers (note not Heavy Cruisers) which is noted as "Conversions of previous classes". The name and hull #'s of these vessels were;

1017 Constellation
1018 Goeben
1019 Eximer
1020 Oriskany
1371 Republic
1372 Reshadije
1373 Ramilles

There are a few similarities such as this between SFB and SOTSF, it's obvious that Guenther took inspiration from SFB, which isn't a bad thing (too bad he never got his website up and going). I love the SOTSF stuff, I don't have Vol I anymore (darnit!) but I have Vol. II and "Starship Design".

And I voted for the Texas class. Sure, it's ugly at first, but it has grown on me over time, heheh. Again, to refer to SFB "history", the Texas class CL was converted to a number of different varients during the General War, including minesweepers, hospital ships, drone ships, light carriers, and escorts for the larger carriers.

Anywhos...

Atrahasis · « **Reply #89 on:** September 11, 2003, 12:02:58 am »

Yes, the Texas does get a lot of usage, but my main problem with it is....it's so damned ugly! Better that a Marshall-class destroyer takes that slot than the Texas.

DarkMatrix · « **Reply #90 on:** September 11, 2003, 03:14:31 am »

you got any more views of this one man?

DM(darkdrone)

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #91 on:** September 11, 2003, 04:35:58 am »

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you got any more views of this one man?

DM(darkdrone)

Hi Darkdrone
Officially only 2 views exist of this ship a top view and the perspective that you see here. Unofficially a 3 view orthographic drawing has bee created for this using some sort of paint program. The web site is the following

Vintage Starship Company

I just went to his site and he's starting up a second site and it contains size comparison models and is divided
up by major person or book title IE a franz joseph section, a starfleet chronology section. I hope this helps you out. Looking forward to seeing some interesting work come out of this

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