Topic: My first model in well over a year! Pics inside (Read 11883 times)

Atrahasis · « **on:** September 03, 2003, 09:27:58 pm »

I was serious about the design similarities between the NX-01 and teh Loknar, which I percieve ot be a frigate design that evolved directly from the NX-01 design. Also, I think TOS should be re-thunk.....that TOS ships should have some kind of hull plating on them, Feds and Klinks alike. What do you think? As always, criticism is welcome.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2003, 09:46:04 pm »

Marauth · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2003, 09:46:41 pm »

W00t - the big-A returns, hopefully... Anyway, the model:

It certainly looks cool and is a nice crossover. But for those of us who still do not accept Enterprise as canon Trek (yes we still exist) it is an anathema to one of the most original TOS designs mutated into this. In english I meant the model is kick ass but I don't like it don't look TOS. TOS does not need to be rethunk BTW because Enterprise is technically not Star Trek - they dropped the line from the title in a hope to attract new viewers so it has never been Star Trek. Just 'based on Star Trek' as the credits say

Oh well.

BTW is there any chance at all we'll ever see that series Constitution you showed us well over a year ago? Or maybe even a new one?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2003, 09:53:07 pm »

Your comments are well-felt, I empathize with that viewpoint. The Ent-era ships basically look TNG, with the red and blue glowies and all. But it's a new slant on things is how I look at it, and in fact I think the "plate" hulls and the "smooth" hulls can co-exist side by side.....the original smooth TOS hulls you can say had a layer of thermo-paint on them or something like that, a design feature they had incorporated in that era!

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2003, 10:32:01 pm »

Great looking model, but who would expect less from one of the masters. I even like the direction you've gone here. It's better to make the best of a bad situation, I say. I, for one, wish more Ent-era models were being done. So far, the show hasn't grown on me, but there are some pretty nice ships to be had from it though. I know this isn't from the show, but it makes a good crossover piece.

BTW. Is there a link for it?

E_Look · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2003, 10:35:51 pm »

Come on, TVL,

chill!

It's a nice model! I know from your posts that you of all people do appreciate good art and good artists, as Atra does and is. So what if it smacks of a B&B product.

Shoot, I never heard of FASA until I got on the original Simxtreme boards for SFC1 and BARELY ever heard of SFB (and never thought about it until I discovered SFC), and really don't care too much for the ship design from those respective games. But I do have and use SFC 1 and 2 models of those designs, as the execution by many of our SFC modelers are, well, sweet!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2003, 10:35:54 pm »

For the PURISTS I'm gonna put the original TOS nacelles on it to signify one of the later variants of this class, there are like 4 variants in all. I'm still finalizing it, the link should be available this week. I figure this model would be great as the Loknar MK I and later models would have the actual larger TOS engines.

Hehheh but the hull plating stays ~

E_Look · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2003, 10:37:47 pm »

[quote... ]the link should be available this week...

Just curious, where are they going to be linked to? Is your site still active?

Captain Ron · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2003, 10:51:42 pm »

Looks Good Atra, nice to see you back.

As for the look it can be retextured, and probably will be.

starforce2 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2003, 11:04:27 pm »

Great job. It's an NX-era loknar. To be honest it looks better as an NX era ship than any other era.

Chrystoff · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2003, 11:59:05 pm »

I like this. Very clean lines. Can't wait to DL.

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2003, 12:13:27 am »

Ah yes a sweet ship. This could alsmost be that mysterious ship that appears in the opening title of Enterprise right before the NX01 is shown.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2003, 12:28:45 am »

Great job!!

Reasonable idea!

I'm not really a fan of Enterprise as a "Trek" series, I do like the show from a pure entertainment/scifi kinda thing. I can see TOS and later ships having hull plating from a purely defensive frame of mind. I mean, shield eventually fail, so if you can have some hull plating to absorb some damage, better survivability. With those nacelles, it definitely looks like a direct decendent of the NX-01, which is a doable *cough* solution to a sticky subject.

starforce2 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2003, 02:25:39 am »

any chance you'd do the earth ships seen in the season finale of enterprise? There's 3, But I think 2 classes.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2003, 05:40:31 am »

Well done Atrahasis!

Nice to see your stuff being shown in the community again. This is really and improvement over the original TOS FASA design. Have you considered reinforcing the ENTERPRISE look/theme by perhaps adding a deflector in the front?

Thank you for sharing this.

Qapla!

KF

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2003, 08:04:26 am »

Hello Atrahasis,

Your new model is an excellent endeveaour,
the starship is TOP-DRAWER indeed,

I look forward to downloading it,

Take care,
GeneralWolfe

Rogue · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2003, 06:57:24 pm »

Is it just me or does anyone else get a warm feeling to see Atrahasis post a model again?

I think it be a cool little starship and will find a place in the Loknar family for my game. I'm still working on finding homes for FASA in the ship library and starships like that make it more interesting. And more importantly... fun! I'd still pay money to see how you pull off some of the stuff you do making texture maps. If I could do that I'd actualy make a stab at creating meshes.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2003, 09:32:49 pm »

Many thanks for the kind words and advice, and here's another NX-01 extrapolation.......the SFB Burke-class frigate! I figure I can use it as the basic F-FF. I gave it the NX-01 look because according to the dates this ship appears well before the Connie. Thanks to Bernard for supplying his personal diagranms of this ship which helped to establish shape, detail, and scale. Later on I will do a refit of it and bring it into the modern TOS era with the updated nacelles. But for now, so far that's two ships that have NX-01 styling that I've done. The Burke does not even ahve the registry yet nor the phaser emplacement markings.

On a personal note, I did not like the look nor the idea of the Burke until very very recently. However, the more I thought about it, the more the Burke design made sense to me. It is a small ship that would be ideal for a TOS-era small ship in a fleet where you don't have a lot of small ships. You just absolutely have to have a ship that is smaller than the Saladin-destroyer otherwise the fleet compostion does not make much sense. So, I decided it was time to make the Burke, but detail it in consideration to the very early era it first appeared in. The original MK I Loknar is also of a very old vintage, which is why I feel both comfortable and adventurous giving them this NX-01 era look.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #20 on:** September 04, 2003, 09:41:23 pm »

PS Does anyone know the official REGISTRY NUMBER of the Burke?

E_Look · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2003, 09:41:50 pm »

To be honest, I didn't like the Burke class design until right now, with your model. And this is not to butter you, but truly, it's a pretty nice job!

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #23 on:** September 05, 2003, 07:11:06 am »

Hi Atrahasis
I can help you out there Burke class ships Start with ncc 301 range. Nice job by the way.
Looking forward to downloading both ships when your ready to release them

Atrahasis · « **Reply #26 on:** September 05, 2003, 12:32:36 pm »

Yes, it's fun to create fleets and share them, it's like trading collectible cards if you think about it, and you get to play with them too.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #27 on:** September 05, 2003, 01:45:03 pm »

Speaking of collectible ships Atrahasis

What ever happened to the tri-nacelled D-10B pocket DN you were making?

I'd love to add that to the FASA to SFC collection along with the D-10B with C-7 command boom and C-7 warp engines, lol.

Qapla!

KF

Atrahasis · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2003, 02:16:06 pm »

Here's another pic of the Burke, it looks quite attractive now with the registry, phasers, and shuttle bay added. The shuttle bay is right above that orange triangle, it's a section of hull plating that I presume opens up by sliding to the sides or sinking into the hull.

E_Look · « **Reply #30 on:** September 05, 2003, 07:38:41 pm »

I'm a more pedestrian type of guy... I'll take individual ships, too! But fleets are welcome, only the d/l might pose a problem for many of us!

Azel · « **Reply #31 on:** September 05, 2003, 07:50:45 pm »

Atra, My appologies for not commenting earlier...
Great Models from a Greater Modeller
Awesome work/Theory(tech change)
Welcome back sir

Atrahasis · « **Reply #32 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:05:16 pm »

Thank you Azel, I like your designs as well, they are always unique.

I am also finalizing the details on the USS Bonaventure, seen here with my old Connie and Detroyat textures, she'll need her own set eventually:

How does everyone like the matter intakes? If you look very closely, I simulated an inner glow but with the "cage"-like frame, I wasn't satisfied with just plain red intakes.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #33 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:13:11 pm »

My theory is this: You needed bumpy hull plating like on the NX-style ships way back when but when shield tech became better and more distinct form mere "hull polarization" then Starfleet ships became basically smooth-hulled, hence the smooth white / light grey of the cruisers like the original Constitution. Hence, i think in the early era you can very well have "bumpy-hull" ships alongside "smooth-hull" ships, as long as the bumpy ones are not many and are on the way to being phased out or uprated.

There exists a precedent for this in TNG: In the second season of TNG they built that 4-foot long model of the Enterprise-D, much smaller than the 10-foot one, but the smaller one was better detailed and had bumpy plating all around, like the ERTL/AMT model kit that was released. Hence, we're supposed to assume that the Galaxy was always like that, with bumpy plates. HOWEVER, if you examine the Sovereign you'll notice that although there is patterning on the hull, there is no bumpiness, it is all smoooth. So, you can have these two kinds of hull plating in Starfleet without any continuity problems, in fact you can see it as two avenues of design for Starfleet engineers.

E_Look · « **Reply #34 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:20:26 pm »

Whoa! This is the most radical design I've ever seen from you! It's... interesting.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #35 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:40:45 pm »

It's not my own design, it's a ship that appeared in the TAS episode "The Time Trap". I meshed it a year ago, I just finsihed mapping it. Now all I need to do is detail the textures.

I figure people can use it for the Galactic Survey Cruiser.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #36 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:46:56 pm »

Also finalizing is the Loknar with an engine upgrade! I'm wondering if I should put my Detroyat engines on it or the regular Constitution type.

Captain Ron · « **Reply #37 on:** September 05, 2003, 10:22:27 pm »

I really like the way this ship is starting to look!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #39 on:** September 06, 2003, 08:18:03 am »

That's interesting....could you postthe Burke and Connie weapons and engine specs for those "Early Years"? This info would help me determine a lot of design details.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #40 on:** September 06, 2003, 03:46:19 pm »

Hi Atrahasis
Early heavy Cruiser:
6 phaser type 2 front phasers FH arc side phasers RF R and LF L arcs
2 photon torp note cannot overload the torps
Warp engine = 12
move cost =1
impulse engine =2
lab = 6
4 shuttle
3 Transporteres
10 f-hull
4 r-hull

Early Frigate:
Warp 4 boxes x 2 engines
move cost =1/3
2 impulse engines
3 phaser 2 FH RS LS
2 photon torps
2 Lab
2 trans
2 trac
2 shuttle
5 center hull

if you need any more information Please let me know

Atrahasis · « **Reply #41 on:** September 06, 2003, 04:50:06 pm »

Thank you, this does help. BTW do you have any diagrams for the Old Light Cruiser form SFB?

An update on my Bonaventure: texturing is more or less complete, and it has a much more sophisticated look now with light panelling all over the hull.

Durin · « **Reply #42 on:** September 06, 2003, 06:35:46 pm »

Great job man.I love your work!

Capt. Wildman · « **Reply #43 on:** September 06, 2003, 08:39:35 pm »

As always, very nice!! Good to see your work being posted again.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #44 on:** September 06, 2003, 08:55:24 pm »

Thanks to all, and btw Lestat, I found the BonHomme Richard which I never released, but will shortly:

I think I'll do a USS Essex version of this, which was actually a carrier operations ship after her refit and has different details, and an extra set of phasers in the front.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #45 on:** September 06, 2003, 09:58:51 pm »

I've been wishing for some updated TOS. This is like christmas coming early for me

I can hardly wait 'til you get these up. Thanks so much, man!!!

Marauth · « **Reply #46 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:00:09 pm »

Major W00tage

Now THAT is an Enterprise! IMO It looks better than the NX-01.

BTW Dunno if that's just an old pic or something but the vanes on the top of the nacelles (I forget the technobable name for them) are meant to be filled and have a small extension on the front on the series version. Don't mean to pick at a fine model but it is kind of noticeable.

P.S. Do you have blank textures of the saucer and nacelles so we can make other ships?

P.P.S. would it be okay if I made a Coronado thru-deck carrier out of this?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #47 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:30:54 pm »

If you could make a Coronado out of this I know I'd sure appreciate it. But the question is why wouldn't you use your fine series Connie?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #48 on:** September 07, 2003, 02:42:56 am »

Here's a SFB Kearsarge Light Cruiser that I made. Can anyone tell me the registry number and the proper spelling for the name of this ship?

This model should be pretty useful as the NCL, which accoridng to the SFB specs is not really the Miranda, because it not only appears too early but is more lightly gunned.

Ducttapewonder · « **Reply #49 on:** September 07, 2003, 03:38:38 am »

Hey Atra,

Sweet lookin ships you gots there. Good to see you back into SFC modeling again. Cant wait for D/L links

BTW. Is the Ark still gonna be your site? I would like to add a link @ my site but dont know where it should go. Are you gonna have a new site or just update the Ark?

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #50 on:** September 07, 2003, 05:03:05 am »

Hi Atrahasis
I don't have any diagrams of an early CA I do have an issue of Captain's log that shows what I think is an early CA modernized. It was my intention to work on finishing up the Detroyat primary hull schematics and create an early CA using the engines and saucer of that class with an earlier looking secondary hull. I've just got to do the windows around the rim of the saucer.

Regarding the Kearsarge I'm going to send you a listing of SFB Ships this list is by no means complete but it has most of the major classes of ships on it. nice work on the Fed NCL by the way

To See my latest schematics you can join the TreknoGraphx Yahoo groups list this is where I'm showing schematic work
and other material that I'm interested in. If your interested let me know and I'll invite you in.

Rogue · « **Reply #51 on:** September 07, 2003, 08:19:56 am »

It might seem a little early in the year for the holidays but it already feels like it. The heat spell is broken. Football is cranking up to a fevered pitch. And Atrahasis is doing some inspired starship modeling. I'm so happy.

It doesn't take a lot to make me happy really. I've got OP just about the way I want it. Everything else is gravy from here on out. That Kearsarge... gravy. BonHomme Richard... gravy. And that TOS Loknar... gravy. The only things I can't do now is play on D2 as I kill other peoples games. (I'm about ready to cough up money for the bandwidth)

Sorry for going so off topic here. I'm still om my first cup of coffee. But the point is I'm going to stop what I'm doing the moment the downloads for these come on line and go into acquisition mode. I'll probably be humming "It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas."

wanderer · « **Reply #54 on:** September 07, 2003, 11:12:50 am »

Atra-Hasis, you're making me a very happy fellow, indeed. Quite glad to see you back. Your models are highly prized by many D2 players, including myself. I have a number of your TOS Feds, including your CVA series, along with your Klingons and a few others. If you are ever looking for a model you may have lost, feel free to drop me a line, I may have it, ya never know.

Eagerly awaiting your new releases. Love that Bon Homme Richard!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #55 on:** September 07, 2003, 06:42:21 pm »

Eventually I'll resuscitate my old site, the first new DL's though will be from this thread directly.

Btw, Bernard, that pic of the Eraly CA is truly inspiring! Was that pic done before or after the "Enterprise" series aired, because it just smacks of NX-01 era tech in a very cool way. Now I must model it.

By the way, could you post or send me some pics of the Old Light Cruiser?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #56 on:** September 07, 2003, 06:44:32 pm »

Also, here is a matter for debate and opinion: since my Bonhomme Richard is in that blue-grey scheme, should the Kearsarge NCL be a simlar color, since it appears in 2269, long after the Bonhomme? I'd like to hear peoples opinions on this.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #58 on:** September 07, 2003, 07:44:37 pm »

Yes, your size comparison schematics were instrumental in my modelling the Burke and the Kearsarge. Could you also please supply a pic of an early frigate?

Rogue · « **Reply #59 on:** September 07, 2003, 08:04:32 pm »

About that blue-grey scheme. In my fuzzy little mind I could rationalize it either way. Either the construction technique of that time would be common and therefor they would have similar hull form and styles. Or you could say that the Federation is a really big place and a great deal of the construction is scattered through many shipyards and races. That could mean that even though the ships are built to specification and available technology they might vary somewhat reflecting the style of the builders. Perhaps the Andorian or Vulcans put their own stamp upon the design. Or yet again perhaps the starships we are interested in here might be built in a centralized building facility for reasons of security. Or that it is necessary to assemble the talent and resources for such an undertaking. Not to mention the training necessary to man those ships. A big factor would be just how many starships we are talking about. I think in TOS series that they said Starfleet had about a dozen Constitutions available for service and that was the state of the art ship. Perhaps even the Federations only real starship. But in Deep Space Nine it was stated Starfleet was fielding about 10,000 starships in their war with the Dominion. There is a big difference between building, staffing and maintaining a dozen as opposed to a few thousand. Likely we would have to go with a reality that is more associated with SFB than Star Trek.

One thing I get a kick out of is that in the lore of SFB the only battleships were ever actualy built and fielded were those Klingon B10's. All the others we have been commanding are either conceptual or never got built. I think that I'm going to try that sometime in a modified shiplist. Kill all the BB's but the B10.

Having said all this... I think it better that vessels of the day would have similar appearances as form would follow the function and technology that was mastered at the time. So... ya they would look alike.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #60 on:** September 07, 2003, 08:38:26 pm »

Yes, I like your point about different builders throughout the Federation while building to specs may vary sligtly. If you ever downloaded my little SS Aurora, I made a Vulcan verison as well as a Fed version, with different styles in mind reflecting different places they were constructed at.

Also, the reference to only a dozen Connies was the TOS episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday" wher ethe ship travels back to the 1960's by accident and they pick up that airforce pilot. Kirk mentions "There are only a dozen like it in the fleet". Franz Joseph got around that by having the 1701 be a part of the Constitution class but there also being a better version called the BonHomme Richard class, of which dozens were built, and the USS Defiant that disappears in "The Tholian Web" was one of these.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #61 on:** September 08, 2003, 03:22:24 am »

Hey, look at the neat Coronado I made! All it needs is the proper pennants and registry:

PS By the way Bernard, is there a reference in Ships of the Starfleet about the type of warp engine used by the Connie before the PB-32 (BonHomme) engines were employed? I seem to recall a refernce to a PB-27 but I'm not sure on that. If you could verify that for me it'd help. Also, did the Coronado start with the PB-32 but got PB-47's later, or was it built from the start with PB-47's? Also, did the Coronado start with the BonHomme-style pennants and lettering (TOS) or with the TMP style pennants and lettering? Thanks in advance.

I got the picture of the Early Frigate, it's quite cool! My question tho is in what SFB year did they stop using it? There's no sense in modelling it if it doesnt show up in at least the early era.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #70 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:32:37 am »

What is the SFB starting date for the Old Light Cruiser?

Atrahasis · « **Reply #71 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:38:32 am »

Time for some personal rambling: The existence of the SFB Old Light Cruiser does not make sense anymore. It was supposed to have been a leftover from the days when they didn't have Warp Drive yet, but since the new TV show has ships with warp drive 150 years before TOS then obvioulsy the Old Light Cruiser idea is blown out of the water. However, we should keep it around and sub in either the Coventry or the Surya model for it, two designs which are at least light cruiser designs from Ships of the Starfleet.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #72 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:45:03 am »

Hi Atra
I've scanned a couple of pages from the module it should answer your questions or create more.

ActiveX · « **Reply #74 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:53:17 am »

Hey Atra, jist wanted to stop in and let you know that you aren't the only person who dun like the 'canon' beach ball and warp cucumber Pre-TOS style...

I'd like to think we humans would have more style than that...hehe...I mean the Space Shuttle has more style than the Daedalus...

Atrahasis · « **Reply #75 on:** September 10, 2003, 12:48:54 am »

I just did some very interesting reading on the Early Years of SFB!

It looks like the Province-class Old Light Cruiser is feasible in the timeline after all because "sublight" in SFB terms means not able to maneuver at warp speeds in combat, not that it doesn't have warp drive at all, and so presumably the modern term "warp drive" means ships that can maneuver at warp speeds in combat. Ships could still travel between stars using powerful impulse engines that warped space. This explanation solves a lot of problems, especially for the Bonaventure galactic survey cruiser which I plan to release, one need not assign a 21st century date for its launch anymore because if it was the "first starship with warp drive" as Scotty says in that episode then it need not be older than the Province-class which is still being used. The Bonnie looks like a modern sister ship to the Connie anyways. The Bonnie and Connie, I like that.

By the way Bernard, have you ever come across an SSD for the Bonnie?

Thanks to everyone else for their input as well.

Reverend · « **Reply #76 on:** September 10, 2003, 01:20:50 am »

Good point Active X

Atrahasis · « **Reply #77 on:** September 10, 2003, 01:42:51 am »

I am having a moral dilemma: I want to make the Province-class OCL because it's specced in Orion Pirates, but......but.....it's so damned ugly! I would feel bad spending all that time making such an ugly retarded looking ship. And yet one is needed for the spec file.

What do people use for the OCL slot? The Daedalus? It may look like a beach ball, but in my opinion it looks a hell of a lot better than the Province from SFB. Moreover, it's canon.

jimkirk · « **Reply #78 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:52:24 am »

BTW Welcome back Thexter into modelling business. You were most wished and welcomed person for over a year.
I'm glad you have returned

E_Look · « **Reply #81 on:** September 10, 2003, 12:43:39 pm »

Atra, OCL?

Wouldn't the Daedalus be OCA? But hey, I'm no SFBer. And, the Daedalus never looked ugly to me because of its being one of the stages in formation of present day TOS CA. Besides, I believe the Soviets once launched a rocket with a module on top that looked like a big beach ball. Anyhow, we'll never know as Teller has just passed away and he could have told us, as he was such a Soviet technology watcher.

Marauth · « **Reply #82 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:06:15 pm »

Daedalus is a bit out of the question with a launch date set around 2161 for the first of the class (2160 if you follow the SFM) besides which all ships of the class were decommisioned before the 23rd C. Even if they were in the Early Years module they would have been on their last legs serving as auxilliary vessels or reserve vessels

Atrahasis · « **Reply #83 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:09:11 pm »

Here are some pics of the Kentucky / Texas / Province class from SFB, and then the Baton Rouge / Moscow / Nordjenskold from Spaceflight Chronology.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #84 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:10:43 pm »

I'd like to do a poll: Which would people prefer for the CL slot: The Texas from SFB or the Baton Rouge?

Texas or Baton Rouge for the CL slot?
Texas
Baton Rouge

E_Look · « **Reply #85 on:** September 10, 2003, 10:46:20 pm »

Again, why CL? Wouldn't the Baton Rouge (what I voted for, anyway) be the CA of its day?

E_Look · « **Reply #87 on:** September 10, 2003, 11:05:45 pm »

Indeed?!

I had always had the impression that they were a generation older (thus way predated) Constitutions!

Although, I did once in a Star Trek comic book, I forget if it was Marvel or DC's, but Capt. Kirk did transfer onto the Big E from the U.S.S. Republic, a Baton Rouge looking kind of ship, when Captain Pike was stepping down as the Enterprise's captain. But I wonder if a comic book can be considered canon!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #89 on:** September 11, 2003, 12:02:58 am »

Yes, the Texas does get a lot of usage, but my main problem with it is....it's so damned ugly! Better that a Marshall-class destroyer takes that slot than the Texas.

DarkMatrix · « **Reply #90 on:** September 11, 2003, 03:14:31 am »

you got any more views of this one man?

DM(darkdrone)

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