Topic: canon proof of a federation dreadnought (tmp) (Read 1490 times)

starforce2 · « **on:** September 09, 2003, 09:58:19 am »

In one thread or another this came up and I was asked to prove it if I could fin the pic. Well, I did so here it is.

www.nightsoftware.com/starforce/images/Federation.jpg

I have seen this on screen I am fairly sure after I found this pic. That is defenetly a 3 nacelled ship, as the nacelles come out from the bottom of the drive hull like the belesarius and the Jack payne site.

Edit-son of a b*****en nightsoft down again! I just checked it 30 seconds before I posted to ...f***!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marauth · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2003, 10:25:22 am »

I'll keep checking it for when Nightsoft comes back online.

Oh BTW it's called the engineering or secondary hull, not drive hull, stardrive hull was one of the terms thrown about in early episodes of TOS before they had the nomenclature set down, then again at that time Kirk mentioned them being part of the United Earth Space Probe Agency so...

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2003, 10:30:28 am »

This I have to see! Thanks for digging this up for us.

KF

James Formo · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:52:10 am »

Well it was later outlawed for 2 reasons. The warp field created rips in space and it was too ugly.

starforce2 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:56:56 am »

tos? drive hull was usned in tng too. AKA stardrive. Whatever u call it you know what I mean so quit being dificult

Marauth · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:24:27 pm »

KF - sorry to burst everyone's collective buble but it's a matt painting of the Enterprise coming into spacedock, in the background is an Ascension class light dreadnought - Starforce showed m the pic - you can even see the dude's signature, and the date - '94 so it's clearly not genuinely from any of the films which obviously ended in '91.

Apparently Starforce says he's seen it in the film (I'm guessing STIII) but the only oddball ship I remember from that flick was the Ralf McQuarrie Phase II study - now known as the Gage class which can be seen behind one of those huge horizontal pillars in the dock.

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:16:20 pm »

A longshot but... if the painting were in the movie, would that make it canon?

Marauth · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:34:05 pm »

Yes, but it could not have been in the movie as it is dated 1994, STIII was 1984 - a decade earlier, it could not be from any other film featuring the Enterprise or Enterprise-A as STVI the last film to feature the ship is dated 1991 so the painting is something separate from any currently released TMP era movie. Possibly it is just an independent piece of artwork or maybe it was meant to be in ST Generations (1994 IIRC) but they omited it at some point during the production.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:48:54 pm »

Let's not forget the TMP comm chatter at Epsilon 9 whne you can hear them say "Dreadnought Entente, NCC-XXXX, to rendevous with...." They also mention the scouts Columbia and Revere.

Marauth · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2003, 06:14:35 pm »

NCC-2120 IIRC correctly, anyway we know it's canon in that instance but this would have provided visual proof if it were real. Also depending on wether you bow to the powers that be at paramount or not then tht bit was edited out and no longer appears in the film - when they did STIII they wanted the Excelsior to be the newest ship in the fleet and a 20 or so year old Dreadnought that had been refitted had a higher registry (the Entente) and their idiocy was revealed - did it never occurr to them that even if the Excelsior were the newest ship to join the fleet the 'keel' woud have been laid down as it were at least some time in the late 2260s so you could still easily acomodate the Federation class registries in such a system. Morons.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2003, 07:14:11 pm »

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NCC-2120 IIRC correctly, anyway we know it's canon in that instance but this would have provided visual proof if it were real. Also depending on wether you bow to the powers that be at paramount or not then tht bit was edited out and no longer appears in the film - when they did STIII they wanted the Excelsior to be the newest ship in the fleet and a 20 or so year old Dreadnought that had been refitted had a higher registry (the Entente) and their idiocy was revealed - did it never occurr to them that even if the Excelsior were the newest ship to join the fleet the 'keel' woud have been laid down as it were at least some time in the late 2260s so you could still easily acomodate the Federation class registries in such a system. Morons.

What, you mean the comm chatter is not on the director's edition DVD anymore?

Marauth · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2003, 07:28:02 pm »

And the video edit that came out after STIII - every version since then has had the edited comm-chatter

Marauth · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2003, 07:23:03 am »

This was back in the days when they tried to minimise idiocy rather than pump as much as possible into the franchise

WillardDcker · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2003, 01:48:31 pm »

That image is a picture I saw at the Star Trek Experience when I went to Los Vegas for my Birthday. There were many copies of this work at the Promenade Gift Shop.

starforce2

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