Topic: SFB Klingon model shots (Read 4520 times)

Desty_Nova · « **on:** August 25, 2003, 09:30:54 pm »

Hey everyone. I've been a lurker on these boards for quite some time, and I wanted to let you know that I'm working on creating SFB-style models for the races in OP. Here are shots of the first bunch of models I'm doing for the Klingons.

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=226369

Here's the list of Klingon ship classes I plan on making(or have already made):
D7 Heavy Cruiser
D5 War Cruiser
E4 Frigate
F5 Frigate
C7 Heavy Battlecruiser
D5W New Heavy Cruiser
C8 Dreadnought
C8V Heavy Carrier
B10 Battleship
Tug
Small Freighter
Z-Y Fighter
Administrative Shuttle
Starbase
Battlestation
Monitor

I'll be doing roughly these equivalents for every race. I'll also be doing unique versions of units considered "generic" in SFB, like starbases, freighters, shuttles, etc for every race. Eventually I would like to compile all of these models into an all-inclusive mod.

If any of you guys like these so far, I have a question: would anyone be willing to host these models for me once I release them, or be able to show where I could have them hosted? Anyway, what do you all think so far?

Captain Ron · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2003, 09:48:27 pm »

Very nice!

You should also check out Fleet Dock 13

They have done TOS models since SFC 1

PS (isn't Village Photos a nice site!)

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2003, 09:53:34 pm »

Yeah, Fleetdock 13 is cool. I have just about every model from there. And yes, village photos is very nice!

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2003, 10:23:36 pm »

Very, very cool!

I'll take all the TOS/SFB models I can get. Especially, hi-quality ones, like these appear to be. I'm on dial-up and use compression on my browser so it doesn't take days to load image intensive pages. This doesn't allow me to see textures too well, but the models look terrific. The little K-Z's even look good.

Just out of curiousity, not expecting an answer to hold you to or anything, how long do you think it'll be before you can complete this monumental task you've undertaken?

Mackie · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2003, 11:41:39 pm »

oh my... those models look rather professional, congrats

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:58:54 am »

Thanks for the comments everyone. Rod O'Neal: Well, this is a rather lofty goal I've set for myself, isn't it? ^_^ I've actually done most of the modeling, though. I've got lots of SFB models sitting on my hard drive awaiting textures right now. I'm really cranking on the Klinks right now, finishing like one or two models a day. So I'll finish them soon(a couple of weeks perhaps?), if I keep up my current pace. As for the rest, it's hard to say. I'll make sure to keep people informed as to my progress though. Thanks for your interest.

Grim Reaper · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2003, 10:06:36 am »

About that hosting, you should try and contact Raven Night of Night software. I believe he donates webspace for free as long as you keep it sci fi based (and off course don't upload porn and such)

http://www.nightsoftware.com/

ravennight@nightsoftware.com
ravennight@hotmail.com

Try one of these mail adresses

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:39:18 pm »

Thanks. I'll try contacting him. BTW, I've got some pictures of the mighty B10 up now. Later today I will also have the D5 and D5W posted as well.

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2003, 03:19:26 am »

Bump!

Added new shots showing the D5 war cruiser and the D5W new heavy cruiser.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2003, 09:09:22 am »

Hi Desty Nova
Your doing some nice work here

keep it up

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2003, 08:29:28 pm »

BUMP for folks who haven't seen this yet.

Its nice to see some more Non-Feds around!

Qapla!

KF

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2003, 11:52:14 pm »

Thanks. ^_^ I hope to finish the Tug sometime tonight, I'll post shots when I do. I've also set in motion a process for getting a download site up, so you guys will hopefully be able to play with these soon.

As for the next race I do, I'm thinking either Hydran, Lyran, or Kzinti next. Anyone have a preference?

Marauth · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2003, 09:21:10 am »

Definetly Lyran. Hydrans and Kzinti ships are uglier than an ugly person who's very ugly

The Lyrans still looked pretty cool in SFB, just a little repetitive in ship design ya know?

BTW The B10 in those shots looks a lot better than the minis, much flatter and more streamlined, very cool...

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2003, 02:23:59 pm »

Yeah thanks. I always thought the B10 was so ugly. It didn't seem right, since the D7 is such a beautiful ship, that the pinnacle of Klingon warship design should be a giant, repulsive, bloated whale. I'm glad you like my spin on it.

BTW, sure Lyran ships are repetitive, but do you have any idea how easy that made it to model them all?

Marauth · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2003, 02:30:48 pm »

Yeah that was my major beef with the SFB minis and one of the main reasons I didn't bother to play it, everyone looks the same! The minis are made from really basic molds when in that scale you can get some really phenominal detail if you try, even in the white metal or styrene plastics they use, they're just lazy. Oh and I hate ADB ever since the debacle over Ghost's ships. Have you seen Thu11s TMP Lyrans? They are a great example of how you can acomodate the SFB designs while still keeping each ship recognisable on it's own, in SFB the only way you could tell which ship a Lyran was is by putting it next to another and seeing which is smaller or bigger. I look forward to your TOS interpretation of the SFB Lyrans though. BTW What about the Seltorians? Or the Vudar Enclave? (I've never actually seen a Vudar ship but I just thought they sounded cool.

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #15 on:** August 28, 2003, 03:56:19 pm »

Pictures of the Klingon tug are up. (on page 2)

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=226369

Well, at first I thought it was kind of boring how all the ships looked the same. Although I've played a lot of SFB since then and I really like the universe, so I've come to accept(and even appreciate) most of the ships. There are a few exceptions, like the B10, which I felt I must change. I can't hate ADB though, as they have actually paid me before(I did the CG art on the back of the last Captain's Log). Anyway, I've downloaded all of Thu11s' models, he's one of the people on this board who inspired me to work on this project.

In addition to the "main" races, I'm also planning on doing Tholians, Seltorians, and Andros. I'll release them as well when I do them. As for the Vudar, I've seen one very small picture of a custom-made mini of their CA that is very hard to see and may or may not be accurate. So unless I can get some better visual reference, I don't think I'll be doing them. But who knows? I might do the Peladine, just for the hell of it.

Oh btw, what is this debacle over Ghost's ships that you speak of?

Marauth · « **Reply #16 on:** August 28, 2003, 04:31:36 pm »

The memories a bit foggy as this was just as I was joining the boards undder my old alias of Lord Bungle (now lost to the ether) but what I recall is basically ages ago when Fleetdock13 was producing SFB ships at a rate of knots - I refer to them as Ghost's ships but there were other contributors such as Anduril and possibly some others I've forgotten by now (sorry if I have.) Anyway, at one point this troll came to the forum and decided to make an SFB mod, with ADB supposedly in on it - i.e. they planned to sell this guy's SFB mod, he basically just hoovered up all the stuff he could find at Fleetdock13 and effectively tried to pass this off as his own because of some twisted view of his that since it is up on the net it is public domain and you can do whatever you want with it, including selling it to ADB at your own profit without giving the creator any notice. Also I believe at some point ADB decided it didn't like Ghost having his ships for free download as they thought (or someone who worked for them thought) that they would be losing out on money as they might want to sell a 'proper' i.e. ADB endorsed SFB style mod for SFC. This is bollocks as their relationship with Paramount and with SFB was/is very tenuous in legal terms and basically they would not be able to legally sell an SFB mod or game without Paramount's go ahead, plus Paramount would have to cut their own slice out of the money, seeing as it's a mod for a Taldren/Interplay game they would also need to give the go ahead and take their slice, business wise it'd be a very bad move for ADB even if the mod wouldn't be available for free from FD13 or any other free online source. ADB could not for some reason grasp that it is not illegal to make free mods of their stuff for public consumption, basically as long as Ghost wasn't making money out of his stuff (which he obviously wasn't) there wasn't a thing they could do about it. I seem to remember them threatening legal proceedings against him at one point, morons. I'm sure a lot of that acount is either embellished or not quite right as I got most of the details second hand from forum members I knew at the time, I was obviously not directly involved so don't shout at me if something is not true, just correct me ok :-)

Anyway, onto happier matters, the tug is looking good

Rogue · « **Reply #17 on:** August 28, 2003, 05:25:08 pm »

I have to say I'm really grooving on your take of the B10. The secondary warp structure is really novel and I like it. The tug is pretty fine as well. I always loathed the parabolic dish stuck on the front of the booms for the Klingons. If I ever get the gumption to learn a little modeling, I am going to clip every one of them off the front of the Fleetdock 13 Klingons and install tubes in place of them. How hard could it be? Oh well.

Marauth · « **Reply #18 on:** August 28, 2003, 06:04:50 pm »

Clipping them off is the easy part, I can do that in M6, putting the tubes in takes money, the money to buy 3D software which I don't have

LOL I hated those dishes too, especially seeing as how in TOS the D7 is supposed to have it's deflector in that recessed black smear on the front of the command hull

it only became a torpedo launcher in TMP. I just thought I'd say the C8 is looking a bit like a D7 with a third nacelle, maybe you could bulk it up a bit? Also would it be possible to have a version with the third nacelle mounted to the bottom of the neck ala the B10?

*scurries away from the burning light to his coffin*

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #19 on:** August 28, 2003, 07:31:22 pm »

Have I posted a picture of the C8 yet? I think you might be confusing it with the new heavy cruiser, which is a version of the D5 war cruiser with an extra engine added above the deckhouse(along with some other stuff that isn't outwardly visible). The C8 does have its third engine hanging from the boom, which you'll get to see soon(it's my current project).

Marauth · « **Reply #20 on:** August 28, 2003, 07:35:15 pm »

Oh right, I thought the 3 nacelled ship on the first page was the C8 as it looked like a D7 with 3 nacelles, it didn't occur to me that it was a D5W which looks like a smaller D7 with 3 nacelles j/k I'm looking forward to the C8 in that case, will you be making the C5 light dreadnought or will it be only the one dreadnought?

Rogue · « **Reply #21 on:** August 28, 2003, 08:17:13 pm »

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Clipping them off is the easy part, I can do that in M6, putting the tubes in takes money, the money to buy 3D software which I don't have LOL I hated those dishes too, especially seeing as how in TOS the D7 is supposed to have it's deflector in that recessed black smear on the front of the command hull it only became a torpedo launcher in TMP.

*scurries away from the burning light to his coffin*

Ya, in my humble opinion, the only ships I can think of that the dishes looked like they belonged were the TOS Federation. They screwed up the Klingons. And the Gorn models for that matter. I thought it was a bad habbit to get into. If it had been me I would have scrapped every one of them. That includes the Saladin with that hokey dish on a stalk thing. But noooooo, we have to have our parabolic even if we have to put that sucker on a stalk hanging from the lower sensor dome.

I brought it up before but the dishes were all originaly meant to portray communication dishes and not deflectors. If I remmember right the grid patterns under the Fed dish and the leading edges of the Klingon wings were supposed to be the deflectors. But that's how it went. I sometimes wished that the SSD's from SFB were not the prime guidelines for so many of the starship art that followed. I give you some of the Romulan new designs as studies in art that went wrong. In particular the Firehawk. And even more so the B10! The answer for almost any vessel heavier than a cruiser was to hang more warp nacelles on it. I can overlook the Kzinti as they were one of the more logical designs. But some of them were just, well... am I really saying anything here that everyone doesn't already know?

Perhaps that could be something that some of our more artisticly gifted people could get going. Redesigning a number of the ABD hulls. On the premise that with updated intellegence and contact with the races in question we come to find out that the earlier computer models were only a poor rendering of what we thought they looked like. I think that would be awesome. Something like an updated ship recognition manual for most everything not Federation or Klingon. You wouldn't have to change the geometry just go back and do them right. That's all, IMHO.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #22 on:** August 28, 2003, 08:31:06 pm »

Hi Desty Nova
Nice job on the tug it looks great.

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #23 on:** August 28, 2003, 08:57:46 pm »

Update: I made the Light Tactical Transport and small Freighter, since I could easily bash them from the Tug. Pics posted.

Lestat: LOL. I would make a C5 but I'm not actually sure what the external differences are. Have any pictures?

Rogue: While I stated previously that I appreciate many of the ships in SFB, I do kind of agree with you. If ships in SFB had been designed by "real" artists, they probably would've looked much, well, better. IMO, some ships can be made to look good. For example, awhile back Anduril(I think it was Anduril) made a model of the Sparrowhawk that I thought looked really good. Not just the modeling skill that went into it, he tweaked the design and sleeked it up a bit. While my mod is mainly going to stay relatively true to all the actual designs from SFB, I will be sleeking them up here and there, where i feel it's appropriate(like with the B10). Some things though I wouldn't really know how to make look better without radically altering the design so I'll just leave them, like the Hydran Destroyer.

Bernard: Thanks. ^_^

Marauth · « **Reply #24 on:** August 28, 2003, 09:33:21 pm »

The C5 is actually meant to be a different ship from the C8, it still has 3 nacelles but is a lot smaller than the C8, it's closer to being a D7 on steroids The only model I've ever seen of it was Atrahasis' TMP era C5, I can't post pics ATM but as I said it just looks like a mini version of the C8.

BTW on the Hydran destroyer, you could always just make it the wedge shape as it is but have integrated nacelles ala the Delta Flyer, I know it sounds dumb but the lack of any visible engines really bugged me on that one.

Oh and I forgot to mention earlier but who the hell are the Pelladine? I never heard of 'em b4

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #25 on:** August 28, 2003, 09:48:37 pm »

Hmm, I might make a C5 in that case. And thanks for the suggestion on the Lancer, I'll figure out something to do on the little bugger.

Anyway, Peladine:

http://www.peladine.com/

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #26 on:** August 29, 2003, 01:32:31 am »

Update: C8 finished, pictures posted. C8V will follow tomorrow(it's a simple kitbash job).

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #27 on:** August 29, 2003, 11:29:14 am »

Thanks for the Peladine link. They're a cool design spec wise. Since plasma fleets have a hard time competeing against drone fleets, giving a plasma race drone capability is such a simple idea, as most good ones are.

Any pics of what their ships actually looked like?

Marauth · « **Reply #28 on:** August 29, 2003, 11:54:14 am »

http://www.star-ranger.com/SFB.htm

Right at the top, some albeit small photos of the new minis from ADB, not really sure what's what as they all bloody look the same

but you can pretty safely assume the big one on the right is the heavy cruiser.

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2003, 12:51:02 am »

Bump

Almost done with the Klingons. I just have to do the Monitor, Battle Station, and Starbase. Hopefully I'll finish them all either tomorrow or the day after. Stay tuned!

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2003, 06:46:33 pm »

Bump!

It'd be an injustice to let this slip off the 1st page

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #31 on:** September 02, 2003, 09:06:24 pm »

Attn: Another modeler has apparently been abducted. No news in days after the updates coming fast and furious. What hideous evil is at work here?

News:

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