Topic: Overload Heavy weapons on SFC III (Read 8835 times)

RFADrAzteca · « **on:** February 06, 2003, 06:13:00 am »

whats the diference on damage when u overload the heavy weapons ?
is there any charter or table like SFC II has ? I usuall fly feds ships, and I had felt the damage from overload plasma, Does the Quatum and Photon torp make more damage or is just an improve on his fire rate ?
Thx,

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2003, 06:40:40 am »

I didn't know you could over load your torpedos. Mind you the only time i have played anything other than the FEDS was during the single player missions. The quantums do do more damage than the photons but i don't know the exact damge amount, i think they have a longer range aswell, but really not sure.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2003, 07:17:50 am »

Ok here goes, as information on the weapons has not been officaly released people have had to piece together what information they can. This is what I believe you are looking for :-

Photon Torpedo does 9 points of damage for 8 points worth of power. When past the shield it can cause 25 hit points, this is then sent to a damage allocation tabel for calculating internal damage.

Quantum Torpedo does 13 points of damage fo 10 points worth of power, furthermore they cause 40 internal hit points.

So if you had either just ONE photon torpedo launcher or just ONE quantum torpedo launcher then increasing that middle bar to its maximum would double the power requirements. For every 2% more power you get 1% more damage, so for 16 points of power you would get a 13.5 points worth of damage from a photon and still only 25 hit points for internals. In contrast fully overloaded quantums give off 19.5 (I think - doing maths in my head is though lol) points of damage for 20 points of power! Once again internal damage allocation isnt changed by overloading, but obviously internals will be of the same proportion, more damaging err head hurts.

Now this only from what I have obsereved myself and what has been said by others, I may be wrong but if I am I doubt its by much (acting cocky now). This of course dosnt take into account multi volly or the iminant god like patch.

Hope this helps.

Vertigo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2003, 01:10:16 pm »

Blitzkrieg, where did you get that info on internals doing a different amount of damage? Everything I've see so far seems to show that weaps do the same amount of damage to everything.

The 1% more damage for every 2% energy is correct, tho.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2003, 02:03:15 pm »

A photon torp gives off 25 hit points which are allocated to an internal chart of which the details Im not familare with. If you hit someones hull with a photon lights start going out everywhere or nowhere sometimes, it depends (hence an allocation table). Phasers for example clearly dont have such a heavy impact as well, heavy weapons.

I know this isnt proof but, what would do more damage do you think... a few phaser blasts burning away at the hull or a matter anti matter reaction shooting at warp speed through a hull?

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2003, 02:47:38 pm »

Blitzkrieg, damage that bypasses shields is not amplified by some factor (e.g. 9 to 25 for a photon).

Go here to use an applet that calculates damage in SFC3.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2003, 03:56:40 pm »

I never said it was

why are the numbers in there if they are not used? Check "some raw numbers" elsewhere on this forum. As for the link, the applet didnt appear to work but I will try again, thanks.

CynicForever · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:01:33 pm »

What "internal chart"? Uh, is it in the game folders somewhere, or a part of the .exe? The only damage parameters I found where in the weaponitems.gf. Would be extremely helpful, even though I increased the health of warpcores, they still seem to go down rather fast.

Koloth · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:14:25 pm »

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I never said it was

Blitzkrieg, you did say the damage increases as it passes the shields.

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Photon Torpedo does 9 points of damage for 8 points worth of power. When past the shield it can cause 25 hit points, this is then sent to a damage allocation tabel for calculating internal damage.

Clear as crystal.

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why are the numbers in there if they are not used?

To what numbers are you referring to? I will take a look.

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As for the link, the applet didnt appear to work but I will try again, thanks.

Try clicking on the Java link when you reach that site. Then, you will be directed to a location where you can download the Java software needed for the applet to work. Because Microsoft had a big falling out with them politically, newer versions of Windows does not come with all the necessary Java tools like it used to. After you have the Java software, you should be able to see it then.

Koloth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:32:59 pm »

ToastyO, try hitting ctrl+f5 on that web page, then hit the link again, if that does not work...click on this direct url...

http://java.sun.com/getjava/index.html

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:41:33 pm »

I know what I said, I dont know if your from another country or have a different primary language to English but for your purposes I will repeat myself. Im not trying to be rude, seriously

ok?

I said: Photon Torpedo does 9 points of damage for 8 points worth of power. When past the shield it can cause 25 hit points

Damage as in what damage is done, hit points (the info given by raw numbers) are not damage. This is not, damage increases, but it appears that this "info" is added into the fray when damage gets past the shields to help calculate what gets damaged. I got the hit point information from "SFC3 raw numbers", if no one else can remember this I will have to provide it apparantly in my own defence!

The information seemed to correlate to what I was whitnessing on screen.

...waiting for, checks on spelling, grammer etc.... sigh

Furthermore I checked out the applet again and it worked, I cant say if its right for everything or not but it looks like it does.

A further edit, I couldnt find the thraed but I have the file on my hard drive. I dont even have the guys name to go with it but Im sure someone can help with that thanks whoever you are RAW NUMBERS SCFIII The heavy weapons bit shows this mysterious "hit points" in it which as I said seems to reflect what happens in game for me. I dont know maybe this only happens to me, if so I wouldnt be surprised as Im starting not be surprised by anything in this game. NOT LEAST the disgusting array of cheating going on in Activision B tonight, someone in there Sov ALT F4'd so I let everyone know about it

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2003, 05:37:52 pm »

Well there you go then, heavy weapons cause the same internals, I was wrong.

However you have to admit, that if you repeat the same attack that the restults are not identical. It isnt always the warp core or the engines or the phasers that go, it could just as easily be the cloak. Add to that, that some ships can dye with everything still working yet others can go down with every weapon down or stunned.

I may have got one my assumption wrong about that, however I still would like to find out what/where/why/how etc. if someone has all the answers point me in there direction please.

Traveler · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2003, 06:57:19 pm »

Why dont all races have overloads?

Marcus Smythe · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2003, 07:15:40 pm »

The damage does not increase as it passes the sheilds.

Damage points are Damage Points. No weapon currently present in SFCIII is known to deal internals differently from its damage to sheilds.

Note, however, that the 'damage' rating listed for shields in the internal .gf files are 'half values', IE an 18 point sheild stops 36 damage, or 4 Fed Photons (assuming no officer effects or loading effects)

RAGE Cyberbeer · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2003, 11:22:16 pm »

How much internal damage can a Sov take with the following loadout:
Armor V
5 quantums
3 XIIF phasers
and Warp X

In addition, how much damage does a volley of fully overloaded quatums do?
Finally, are there ways to cheat in the game to the point that playing a game on GSA can not detect it? If such an issue exist will the patch prevent it?

Cruis.In · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2003, 11:18:35 am »

so time to squeeze on some quantum torpedoes to replace those old photons when the tac officer reaches legendary eh.

RFADrAzteca · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2003, 06:13:00 am »

whats the diference on damage when u overload the heavy weapons ?
is there any charter or table like SFC II has ? I usuall fly feds ships, and I had felt the damage from overload plasma, Does the Quatum and Photon torp make more damage or is just an improve on his fire rate ?
Thx,

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #25 on:** February 06, 2003, 06:40:40 am »

I didn't know you could over load your torpedos. Mind you the only time i have played anything other than the FEDS was during the single player missions. The quantums do do more damage than the photons but i don't know the exact damge amount, i think they have a longer range aswell, but really not sure.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2003, 07:17:50 am »

Ok here goes, as information on the weapons has not been officaly released people have had to piece together what information they can. This is what I believe you are looking for :-

Photon Torpedo does 9 points of damage for 8 points worth of power. When past the shield it can cause 25 hit points, this is then sent to a damage allocation tabel for calculating internal damage.

Quantum Torpedo does 13 points of damage fo 10 points worth of power, furthermore they cause 40 internal hit points.

So if you had either just ONE photon torpedo launcher or just ONE quantum torpedo launcher then increasing that middle bar to its maximum would double the power requirements. For every 2% more power you get 1% more damage, so for 16 points of power you would get a 13.5 points worth of damage from a photon and still only 25 hit points for internals. In contrast fully overloaded quantums give off 19.5 (I think - doing maths in my head is though lol) points of damage for 20 points of power! Once again internal damage allocation isnt changed by overloading, but obviously internals will be of the same proportion, more damaging err head hurts.

Now this only from what I have obsereved myself and what has been said by others, I may be wrong but if I am I doubt its by much (acting cocky now). This of course dosnt take into account multi volly or the iminant god like patch.

Hope this helps.

Vertigo · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2003, 01:10:16 pm »

Blitzkrieg, where did you get that info on internals doing a different amount of damage? Everything I've see so far seems to show that weaps do the same amount of damage to everything.

The 1% more damage for every 2% energy is correct, tho.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2003, 02:03:15 pm »

A photon torp gives off 25 hit points which are allocated to an internal chart of which the details Im not familare with. If you hit someones hull with a photon lights start going out everywhere or nowhere sometimes, it depends (hence an allocation table). Phasers for example clearly dont have such a heavy impact as well, heavy weapons.

I know this isnt proof but, what would do more damage do you think... a few phaser blasts burning away at the hull or a matter anti matter reaction shooting at warp speed through a hull?

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2003, 02:47:38 pm »

Blitzkrieg, damage that bypasses shields is not amplified by some factor (e.g. 9 to 25 for a photon).

Go here to use an applet that calculates damage in SFC3.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2003, 03:56:40 pm »

I never said it was

why are the numbers in there if they are not used? Check "some raw numbers" elsewhere on this forum. As for the link, the applet didnt appear to work but I will try again, thanks.

CynicForever · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:01:33 pm »

What "internal chart"? Uh, is it in the game folders somewhere, or a part of the .exe? The only damage parameters I found where in the weaponitems.gf. Would be extremely helpful, even though I increased the health of warpcores, they still seem to go down rather fast.

Koloth · « **Reply #34 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:32:59 pm »

ToastyO, try hitting ctrl+f5 on that web page, then hit the link again, if that does not work...click on this direct url...

http://java.sun.com/getjava/index.html

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #35 on:** February 06, 2003, 04:41:33 pm »

I know what I said, I dont know if your from another country or have a different primary language to English but for your purposes I will repeat myself. Im not trying to be rude, seriously

ok?

I said: Photon Torpedo does 9 points of damage for 8 points worth of power. When past the shield it can cause 25 hit points

Damage as in what damage is done, hit points (the info given by raw numbers) are not damage. This is not, damage increases, but it appears that this "info" is added into the fray when damage gets past the shields to help calculate what gets damaged. I got the hit point information from "SFC3 raw numbers", if no one else can remember this I will have to provide it apparantly in my own defence!

The information seemed to correlate to what I was whitnessing on screen.

...waiting for, checks on spelling, grammer etc.... sigh

Furthermore I checked out the applet again and it worked, I cant say if its right for everything or not but it looks like it does.

A further edit, I couldnt find the thraed but I have the file on my hard drive. I dont even have the guys name to go with it but Im sure someone can help with that thanks whoever you are RAW NUMBERS SCFIII The heavy weapons bit shows this mysterious "hit points" in it which as I said seems to reflect what happens in game for me. I dont know maybe this only happens to me, if so I wouldnt be surprised as Im starting not be surprised by anything in this game. NOT LEAST the disgusting array of cheating going on in Activision B tonight, someone in there Sov ALT F4'd so I let everyone know about it

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #37 on:** February 06, 2003, 05:37:52 pm »

Well there you go then, heavy weapons cause the same internals, I was wrong.

However you have to admit, that if you repeat the same attack that the restults are not identical. It isnt always the warp core or the engines or the phasers that go, it could just as easily be the cloak. Add to that, that some ships can dye with everything still working yet others can go down with every weapon down or stunned.

I may have got one my assumption wrong about that, however I still would like to find out what/where/why/how etc. if someone has all the answers point me in there direction please.

Traveler · « **Reply #38 on:** February 06, 2003, 06:57:19 pm »

Why dont all races have overloads?

Marcus Smythe · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2003, 07:15:40 pm »

The damage does not increase as it passes the sheilds.

Damage points are Damage Points. No weapon currently present in SFCIII is known to deal internals differently from its damage to sheilds.

Note, however, that the 'damage' rating listed for shields in the internal .gf files are 'half values', IE an 18 point sheild stops 36 damage, or 4 Fed Photons (assuming no officer effects or loading effects)

RAGE Cyberbeer · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2003, 11:22:16 pm »

How much internal damage can a Sov take with the following loadout:
Armor V
5 quantums
3 XIIF phasers
and Warp X

In addition, how much damage does a volley of fully overloaded quatums do?
Finally, are there ways to cheat in the game to the point that playing a game on GSA can not detect it? If such an issue exist will the patch prevent it?

Cruis.In · « **Reply #46 on:** February 07, 2003, 11:18:35 am »

so time to squeeze on some quantum torpedoes to replace those old photons when the tac officer reaches legendary eh.

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