Topic: No Need For A SFC3 Final Patch...

[Mog]

Actually, SFC2 EAW had to wait what, some 5 or 6 months for the D2 to even be available, so there is a precedent as such for the SFC3 situation. That turned quite a number of players away.

[NannerSlug]

the idea that sfc2 had to wait for a patch is false mog.. not so much that d2 had to wait (because it did have to wait as other issues were dealt with first), but that there was a patch out for sfc2 within weeks of the release of the game. there were some major issues with sfc2 when it first came out and they were patched almost immediately. it added in some things like making amd hit and runnable and plasma D in addition to making things more stable and  removing bugs like the battery bug. while the fixes might not have been perfect. there was at least movment and hope.

with sfc3, there has been no demo and no official patch. it was released, when - october or november? that means its almost been a year without a single patch. yes, it has hurt the game. there are countless folks who will not play the game until there is an official patch out.

quick note. were there ever any sfc1 patches post sfc2 release? let alone a year after sfc1 was released. and yes, there are people who play sfc1 (still play it).

thanks.

[Mog]

I didn't mention a patch for SFC2. I mentioned a major feature and selling point of SFC2 that was COMPLETELY MISSING at the time of release and didn't appear till the following May - for 5 to 6 months we were without the Dynaverse, and even when it was released it was, well you know very well what it was like. Your beloved SFC3 at least had that at its release. And for you to bemoan and begrudge patches coming out for OP since SFC3's release doesn't surprise me in the slightest. You're supposed to be an OP fan yourself. I'd have thought you'd be happy that after 2 years the OP D2 is finally playable without a bucketload of big workarounds.

The way you try and twist things that people type never ceases to amaze me.

[NannerSlug]

mog, normally i would let your last remark go because it is nothing more than a personal attack which is blantantly false. but im not going to let another falsehood get out there.

yes, i do remember what it was like. yes, there was no d2, but SL was thriving, as was the GSA/mplayer lobby. the initial patches were very important both in fixing items and at least making a public appearance that there is an effort to fix problems.

fast foward to present day. no official patches have been released for sfc3. there was no demo.. however we have seen patches for op released. how do you think that looks to the average consumer - let alone just getting basic support for the game. my point is simply sfc3 has been treated very unfairly. whether its the political remarks by people such as your self about sfc3 - or the lack of an official patch.

now- to remark specificially to op.. yes, i prefere op over sfc2.. and the fixes are nice and were needed.. that said, how does it play out when op is being patched when sfc3 is showing no movement? the average person sees this and says why should they bother to spend there money or continue to play sfc3. dont believe me? someone posted that exact feeling a while ago.

that does mean that i am not glad to see the fixes for op happen.. however, it is very frustrating - and unfair how sfc has been treated. it is that simple.

just a couple of points to note for fact.

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract
-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

however

-> there were patches coming out nearly immediately for sfc2 and op after release. they might not be perfect, but they showed movment.
-> how many patches/build have there been for sfc2/op let alone game options added to the patches/builds?
-> how many patches were released for sfc1 after sfc2 was released?
-> was there a demo for sfc3?
-> it has been nearly a year since the release for sfc3 yet there is no patch. hopefully somthing will be done and get the approval stamp, but until then it is not gauranteed.

sfc3 has been treated unfairly. its plain and simple. the idea of sfc3 not needing a patch is an insult.  i do believe there are some who feel that there should like there to be no sfc3 patch so more work can be done on op.

mog, it is you who are twisting things. please stop. thank you.

[Mog]

Dang, I haven't even said anything about an SFC3 patch. Where have I said that it doesn't deserve or need one? Again, you fail to read my posts correctly. My first post said there was a precedent for a long delay in that it took so long for a major feature of the game to even appear. You then dismiss that with the patches SFC2 received. My point was how many people left because of no D2 for the first 6 months? A lot of people bought it for the D2 feature. Not everyone was into SL.

For what it's worth, I fully agree with you that the patch situation for SFC3 is unsatisfactory. Irregardless of whether i like a game or not, it should be working as intended for the people who bought it.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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mog, normally i would let your last remark go because it is nothing more than a personal attack which is blantantly false. but im not going to let another falsehood get out there.

But you'll put this falsehood out..."btw, there might be 1 true issue left with op - the rest is nothing more than wants and added features."

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 yes, i do remember what it was like. yes, there was no d2, but SL was thriving, as was the GSA/mplayer lobby. the initial patches were very important both in fixing items and at least making a public appearance that there is an effort to fix problems.

Different publisher.....apples and oranges....

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fast foward to present day. no official patches have been released for sfc3. there was no demo.. however we have seen patches for op released.

And this is your issue...I think even the newbies "get it" by now.....

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 how do you think that looks to the average consumer - let alone just getting basic support for the game.

To me it looks like Taldren followed through on a public commitment to "fix and finish" OP

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 my point is simply sfc3 has been treated very unfairly. whether its the political remarks by people such as your self about sfc3 - or the lack of an official patch.

Well..the first part  is simply what is...you cant force people to like things....or shut up about them(unless they are banned....as I note AJTK was...funny...he agreed with you for the most part).....but the second implies that there is concious effort to NOT do an official patch....or that anyone but Activision is dragging their feet....

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now- to remark specificially to op.. yes, i prefere op over sfc2..

Me too...

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 and the fixes are nice and were needed.. that said, how does it play out when op is being patched when sfc3 is showing no movement?

I'll offer your own answer on that:

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract
-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

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 the average person sees this and says why should they bother to spend there money or continue to play sfc3. dont believe me? someone posted that exact feeling a while ago.

And that someone should realise who's at fault .....and it aint Taldren....You'll recall that Taldren released a "beta" patch much to the anger of Activision...

If anyone should be getting sued..it should be Activision...their actions with SFC3 have harmed Taldrens reputation of sterling customer support...and left Taldren little recourse to fix the game short of contract violation...

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that does mean that i am not glad to see the fixes for op happen.. however, it is very frustrating - and unfair how sfc has been treated. it is that simple.

Again with the "unfair" stuff.....your sentiments were a little different when people complained about getting OP fixed while SFC2 was still getting patches....you still continue to assert that many people didnt play OP due to "politicial" reasons...while a few people had a beef with it being "stand alone"...the biggest problem was a broken D2.....period....now that that is fixed....almost everyone has moved to OP and we are actively getting OP games to people who cant find it...

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just a couple of points to note for fact.

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract
-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

Yea!...I love facts...facts are a friend

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however

I knew there would be a "however"

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-> there were patches coming out nearly immediately for sfc2 and op after release. they might not be perfect, but they showed movment.

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract

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-> how many patches/build have there been for sfc2/op let alone game options added to the patches/builds?

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract

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-> how many patches were released for sfc1 after sfc2 was released?

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract...and I bet that contract didnt include SFC1 fixes...

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-> was there a demo for sfc3?

-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract....And I bet that contract covers doing a Demo also....If Taldren had recieved payment to do a demo and hasnt....I could see your point....but if Activision has refused to pay Taldren for doing a demo....your on the wrong forum...

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-> it has been nearly a year since the release for sfc3 yet there is no patch.

-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

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 hopefully somthing will be done and get the approval stamp, but until then it is not gauranteed.

Something  IS being done by Taldren....You allready know that....whether is meets Activions approval is another matter....and you KNOW that too...

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sfc3 has been treated unfairly. its plain and simple.

Again...by whom?..Taldren!?!...you know thats not true...you have access to the same forums I do...

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 the idea of sfc3 not needing a patch is an insult.

Actually...I think the first post was in jest...I think we all know SFC3 needs patched.....but it sure struck a nerve with you...

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  i do believe there are some who feel that there should like there to be no sfc3 patch so more work can be done on op.

And this has become an underlying theme with you as of late...it is reflected in nearly everything you post...on other forums also.....

*cough* filibuster *cough*

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mog, it is you who are twisting things. please stop. thank you.  

Meow...... man.    

[Dogmatix!]

Golly, Crimmy...I have nothing to add!  

You quote monster, you...






 

[Deviak]

wow, can't believe this post turned into a accusatory slingfest, I understood what rmahannah was saying the 1st time he said it.. mebbe people are too much on edge..good thing I took a hiatus from here..moved on and I feel very relaxed, looking on at HW2, though not really looking forward to that..or Breed..know how some of the ole die hards here HATE FPS..lol..and of course Halo PC..won't even go into that..but looking forward to those.

Of course I'm also following Starshatter, and some of you guys should too..especially since they cancelled IG3 aka GA, Starshatter is my last hope in anything sci fi. Anyway, that's all folks..I better get off here before I catch any frustration bugs you guys are carrying..hehe. Stay calm people..stay calm..  

[rmahannah]

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  Well, no, this thread really IS underhanded.

You come on here and tell all of the people that work at taldren that its okay, their months of work is useless because the modders have illegally fixed problems that they can't.

Not only is it patently false that any major mod has attempted to fix these problems but I would suspect that it is equally false that any of them COULD fix these problems. I mean, they're truely amazing programmers, but so are the people who work at Taldren, and THEY wrote the program from the ground up.

This thread is completely and totally uncalled for. It is alright to have an oppinion, but when that oppinion is offensive and incendiary it is NOT okay to use it and false information to attack Taldren.

Alexander  

What did I say that was false??  There is still no patch, true or false??  THe MODS have helped the game, true or false??  I paid for the product the same as everyone else did, therefore my comments are justified.  This post is totally uncalled for, and underhanded??  Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...   Oh, that's right, you can't do that...    

[rmahannah]

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First you state that a patch is not needed, then you say that you have waited too long for a patch.

Either a patch is not needed because the modders have fixed everything, or a patch is needed  (it has been a long while) and you are just trolling. Which is it?  

I dont think cleaven twisted any words there, how he saw it, is how i saw it.

        First he says theres no need, then he says "have we ever waited this long for a patch?" the fact that he is waiting suggests that he needs. If he didnt need it, he wouldnt be waiting.  

 edited to add paragraphs, the whole post just looked wrong without them!!  

As a matter of fact, I'm not waiting.  I am just curious as to when it will actually come out.  A patch now will render all the MODS incompatible, so I won't install the "new" patch...  

[Lieutenant_Q]

Activision is a poor publisher, that really is all that needs to be said.  With the exception of Elite Force, every Activision game I own is quite simply crap, of course i dont own too many Activision Products for that same reason.  To Paraphrase Kirk.  "I've never trusted Activision, and I never will, I can never forgive them, for screwing up MechWarrior 2."    

[Toasty0]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

[rmahannah]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

[ActiveX]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

Learn the alphabet before you try to spell words...

[rmahannah]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

Learn the alphabet before you try to spell words...  

Aye, Aye there ActiveX!!  I suppose you have never made a typo, right??  Speak for yourself, not others...  

[ActiveX]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

Learn the alphabet before you try to spell words...  

Aye, Aye there ActiveX!!  I suppose you have never made a typo, right??  Speak for yourself, not others...  

That went lightyears over your head...

[rmahannah]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

Learn the alphabet before you try to spell words...  

Aye, Aye there ActiveX!!  I suppose you have never made a typo, right??  Speak for yourself, not others...  

That went lightyears over your head...  

right...  

[Pestalence]

This is in response to Crimick on the SFC 1 issue and patches...

Fact of the matter is this.. before Taldren was Taldren, they were 14  Degrees East. 14 Degrees East was an Internal game making section of interplay.. they partnered with Quicksilver Software for coding with the game... however, when 14 Degrees East disbanded, and formed Taldren.. and since the Contracts were internal.. support for SFC 1 went with it... Thus the 1.03 patch being final release allowed by Interplay, however it is still Unofficial according to Interplay... as it was created before 14 Degrees East disbanded, but released after Taldren formed... then out came SFC 2 with good graces between Taldren and Interplay... things didn't get bad until the Trek Liscense went up into the air and Activision bought them all.. but that's a different story.

Hopefully, maybe 1 day with David Ferrell being really nice, release an Unofficial 1.04 SFC 1 patch if he still has the game code or access to it.. I would really like to see the fix on the R-KCR for the ungodly power that it has... maybe drop it's power by at least 10.

but that is wishful thinking.. I still enjoy SFC 1...

and for anyone wanting to get SFC 1 working on XP again for both GSA and Single Player.. visit my SFC 1 web page at

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

thanks


 

[feargusf]

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Then just take away our first ammendment right and shut down the forum...

I blame you for my 8th grade social science teacher near demise from uncontrolled  laughter after he read your above quoted posting.

And my American History Prof...well, let us not talk about the all the cutlery I had to hide from her.

And the polisci prof...poor soul. I could not stop them all.



Toasty0    

and your point is???  

Learn the alphabet before you try to spell words...  

Aye, Aye there ActiveX!!  I suppose you have never made a typo, right??  Speak for yourself, not others...  

That went lightyears over your head...  

right...  

Does anyone else feel like they're getting sucked into a black hole (in more ways than one) here?    

[rmahannah]

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This is in response to Crimick on the SFC 1 issue and patches...

Fact of the matter is this.. before Taldren was Taldren, they were 14  Degrees East. 14 Degrees East was an Internal game making section of interplay.. they partnered with Quicksilver Software for coding with the game... however, when 14 Degrees East disbanded, and formed Taldren.. and since the Contracts were internal.. support for SFC 1 went with it... Thus the 1.03 patch being final release allowed by Interplay, however it is still Unofficial according to Interplay... as it was created before 14 Degrees East disbanded, but released after Taldren formed... then out came SFC 2 with good graces between Taldren and Interplay... things didn't get bad until the Trek Liscense went up into the air and Activision bought them all.. but that's a different story.

Hopefully, maybe 1 day with David Ferrell being really nice, release an Unofficial 1.04 SFC 1 patch if he still has the game code or access to it.. I would really like to see the fix on the R-KCR for the ungodly power that it has... maybe drop it's power by at least 10.

but that is wishful thinking.. I still enjoy SFC 1...

and for anyone wanting to get SFC 1 working on XP again for both GSA and Single Player.. visit my SFC 1 web page at

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

thanks


 

Thanks for the info!!  I was having problems with SFC I taking an exceptionally long time loading on XP.  Is that due to the compatibility issue also??