Topic: No Need For A SFC3 Final Patch... (Read 15694 times)

rmahannah · « **on:** August 24, 2003, 02:07:14 am »

With all the great MODS that are out for the game, what is a final patch going to do for the game now??? I doubt the game developers are going to be able to top the MOD developers as far as new ideas, not to mention the fact that they won't have the time to even try..

Cleaven · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:11:59 am »

I didn't realise modders were also fixing game bugs. How are they doing that?

ActiveX · « **Reply #2 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:34:43 am »

We illegally hacked into SFC3's .gf files and looked at the code...

Then we ordered a pizza and went to play OP...

rmahannah · « **Reply #3 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:40:44 am »

Quote:

I didn't realise modders were also fixing game bugs. How are they doing that?

I sure haven't had any issues with bugs using the TNZ MOD... Single Player campaigns work fine.

rmahannah · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:23:24 am »

Seriously... Have we had to wait this long for a patch before??? Obviously it is not a high priority.

Cleaven · « **Reply #15 on:** August 24, 2003, 05:10:16 am »

First you state that a patch is not needed, then you say that you have waited too long for a patch.

Either a patch is not needed because the modders have fixed everything, or a patch is needed (it has been a long while) and you are just trolling. Which is it?

David Ferrell · « **Reply #17 on:** August 24, 2003, 10:36:24 am »

I guess this means I can finally take that retirement I've
been looking forward to.

I'll just tell the makers of those fine mods that thier help
is no longer needed in testing a patch that is unneccessary.

Thanks,

Dave

feargusf · « **Reply #18 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:17:54 pm »

NOOOOOOO! In fact, I would rather you made Pelican and KoraH, along with the other Beta testers, put everything else on the back burner in favor of further intensive testing on new patch builds. Crack the whip, Mr. Ferrell!

Tulwar · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2003, 12:17:15 am »

I agree, there is no need for a patch. I lost my CD code, my disk is corrupt, I've never installed it on this computer, and I didn't have any fun playing SFC3. Do I want a patch? What I'd really like is to see is something happen to Activision, so the license can be bought by a responcible publisher.

Dark Jedi · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2003, 01:41:52 am »

Was this B.S. supposed to be a joke or what?

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2003, 03:25:17 am »

Naw,

TNZ is great, and a credit to both the modders and Taldren for making such a modable game.

Another patch would be great, but I must say that you did a relatively good job on the last one and that the game is mostly playable. One player found it SO good, he thought that someone else must have fixed it because of all of the problems he felt were solved. So I think that this thread is just an underhanded way of saying 'Way to go, Taldren. Keep up the good work, though at this rate you almost needn't you're doing such a fine job'

Or at least, that's how we should all take it, because we have a very uninformed poster at the helm.

Alexander

grave · « **Reply #26 on:** August 26, 2003, 02:45:35 am »

never did understand all this hype about errors and crahses, bugs and problems.... i run the game on and old 500mzh system but i have verry few problems with the game and think that it works fine even though it does CTD some times (most games do on my system)
i still enjoy playing this game and like being able to walk through the defualtcore.txt and change all the ships and wepons and what not i can install some wondful MOD's and play them(kudo's to the makers of those mods)
so all in all i am satisfyed with the game as is. though when we do get a non beta patch im almost certen(willing to take bets

that someone will STILL complain of how this or that isnt working right or something has disrupted the precious BALLANCE)
well now that ive said that back to the OOOHHH weres the patch debate.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #32 on:** August 26, 2003, 07:53:01 pm »

if your post was truly just that, then dont worry about it. many folks (including my self) feel that the game (as all trek games) have been abandon because of the lawsuit - if not before then as there might have been a ramp up/delay leading into it. i just do not know and cannot tell.. i just simply wish - well.. dream at this point - that there will be an official patch.

on the upside.. sfc3 is more stable of a product than 2 or op out of the box - thus helping somewhat and allowing modders some flexibility.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #37 on:** August 27, 2003, 04:56:08 am »

Fair, Nanner?

Fair would be making the programs we have paid for in the past, I.E. SFC1, SFC2, SFCOP work at LEAST 90% prior to worrying about patching SFC3.

And they (Dave F) have STILL been working on at LEAST OP (not sure if Dave has hung up the OP hat yet or not, he keeps coming back, God bless em!) but if you want a reason you dont have the same quality (Fairness?) in patching you have to look no further than Activision.

As for there only being "ONE" issue left in OP, you know that is a direct falsehood.

1)Fighters dont work, never have. They freeze up. They dissapear. They regenerate, etc.

2)Fleet control doesnt work. Didnt work in EAW, doesnt work in OP.

3)Cloak is better, but Tar(God bless HIM, too!) keeps finding things wrong with it, in fact it got better in .10 and then got worse in .12.

4)Hand of Bethke STILL eats ships. Not as often, at least for me and usualy it eats an AI, but it is still there.

5)Missions that have never worked and still dont.... For example, the Fleet Repair dock mission. "Fly into the nebula, find the neutral shipyard and try to recharge you ship", you know the one!

I personally would LOVE to see an SFC3 "OFFICIAL" patch, as I still play it in single too.

Dont disagree with most of your post Nanner, just the Anti-OP and anyone who likes it Parts.

SIgh. BTW, this post is not meant as a jab at Taldren, Dave F, Erik, Bruno, Or anyone else who works at Taldren on a daily basis and/or was involved in the creation of the SFC series of games, it is just a response to Nanners post. No flames. No insults. No references to body odors or sexual habits, etc.

HAND!

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 27, 2003, 10:49:55 pm »

Well, no, this thread really IS underhanded.

You come on here and tell all of the people that work at taldren that its okay, their months of work is useless because the modders have illegally fixed problems that they can't.

Not only is it patently false that any major mod has attempted to fix these problems but I would suspect that it is equally false that any of them COULD fix these problems. I mean, they're truely amazing programmers, but so are the people who work at Taldren, and THEY wrote the program from the ground up.

This thread is completely and totally uncalled for. It is alright to have an oppinion, but when that oppinion is offensive and incendiary it is NOT okay to use it and false information to attack Taldren.

Alexander

Mog · « **Reply #40 on:** August 28, 2003, 06:16:27 am »

Actually, SFC2 EAW had to wait what, some 5 or 6 months for the D2 to even be available, so there is a precedent as such for the SFC3 situation. That turned quite a number of players away.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #41 on:** August 28, 2003, 09:34:01 am »

the idea that sfc2 had to wait for a patch is false mog.. not so much that d2 had to wait (because it did have to wait as other issues were dealt with first), but that there was a patch out for sfc2 within weeks of the release of the game. there were some major issues with sfc2 when it first came out and they were patched almost immediately. it added in some things like making amd hit and runnable and plasma D in addition to making things more stable and removing bugs like the battery bug. while the fixes might not have been perfect. there was at least movment and hope.

with sfc3, there has been no demo and no official patch. it was released, when - october or november? that means its almost been a year without a single patch. yes, it has hurt the game. there are countless folks who will not play the game until there is an official patch out.

quick note. were there ever any sfc1 patches post sfc2 release? let alone a year after sfc1 was released. and yes, there are people who play sfc1 (still play it).

thanks.

Mog · « **Reply #42 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:04:07 am »

I didn't mention a patch for SFC2. I mentioned a major feature and selling point of SFC2 that was COMPLETELY MISSING at the time of release and didn't appear till the following May - for 5 to 6 months we were without the Dynaverse, and even when it was released it was, well you know very well what it was like. Your beloved SFC3 at least had that at its release. And for you to bemoan and begrudge patches coming out for OP since SFC3's release doesn't surprise me in the slightest. You're supposed to be an OP fan yourself. I'd have thought you'd be happy that after 2 years the OP D2 is finally playable without a bucketload of big workarounds.

The way you try and twist things that people type never ceases to amaze me.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #43 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:43:25 am »

mog, normally i would let your last remark go because it is nothing more than a personal attack which is blantantly false. but im not going to let another falsehood get out there.

yes, i do remember what it was like. yes, there was no d2, but SL was thriving, as was the GSA/mplayer lobby. the initial patches were very important both in fixing items and at least making a public appearance that there is an effort to fix problems.

fast foward to present day. no official patches have been released for sfc3. there was no demo.. however we have seen patches for op released. how do you think that looks to the average consumer - let alone just getting basic support for the game. my point is simply sfc3 has been treated very unfairly. whether its the political remarks by people such as your self about sfc3 - or the lack of an official patch.

now- to remark specificially to op.. yes, i prefere op over sfc2.. and the fixes are nice and were needed.. that said, how does it play out when op is being patched when sfc3 is showing no movement? the average person sees this and says why should they bother to spend there money or continue to play sfc3. dont believe me? someone posted that exact feeling a while ago.

that does mean that i am not glad to see the fixes for op happen.. however, it is very frustrating - and unfair how sfc has been treated. it is that simple.

just a couple of points to note for fact.

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract
-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

however

-> there were patches coming out nearly immediately for sfc2 and op after release. they might not be perfect, but they showed movment.
-> how many patches/build have there been for sfc2/op let alone game options added to the patches/builds?
-> how many patches were released for sfc1 after sfc2 was released?
-> was there a demo for sfc3?
-> it has been nearly a year since the release for sfc3 yet there is no patch. hopefully somthing will be done and get the approval stamp, but until then it is not gauranteed.

sfc3 has been treated unfairly. its plain and simple. the idea of sfc3 not needing a patch is an insult. i do believe there are some who feel that there should like there to be no sfc3 patch so more work can be done on op.

mog, it is you who are twisting things. please stop. thank you.

Mog · « **Reply #44 on:** August 28, 2003, 01:50:55 pm »

Dang, I haven't even said anything about an SFC3 patch. Where have I said that it doesn't deserve or need one? Again, you fail to read my posts correctly. My first post said there was a precedent for a long delay in that it took so long for a major feature of the game to even appear. You then dismiss that with the patches SFC2 received. My point was how many people left because of no D2 for the first 6 months? A lot of people bought it for the D2 feature. Not everyone was into SL.

For what it's worth, I fully agree with you that the patch situation for SFC3 is unsatisfactory. Irregardless of whether i like a game or not, it should be working as intended for the people who bought it.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #46 on:** August 28, 2003, 02:35:51 pm »

Golly, Crimmy...I have nothing to add!

You quote monster, you...

Deviak · « **Reply #47 on:** August 28, 2003, 04:44:46 pm »

wow, can't believe this post turned into a accusatory slingfest, I understood what rmahannah was saying the 1st time he said it.. mebbe people are too much on edge..good thing I took a hiatus from here..moved on and I feel very relaxed, looking on at HW2, though not really looking forward to that..or Breed..know how some of the ole die hards here HATE FPS..lol..and of course Halo PC..won't even go into that..but looking forward to those.

Of course I'm also following Starshatter, and some of you guys should too..especially since they cancelled IG3 aka GA, Starshatter is my last hope in anything sci fi. Anyway, that's all folks..I better get off here before I catch any frustration bugs you guys are carrying..hehe. Stay calm people..stay calm..

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #50 on:** August 29, 2003, 09:11:00 pm »

Activision is a poor publisher, that really is all that needs to be said. With the exception of Elite Force, every Activision game I own is quite simply crap, of course i dont own too many Activision Products for that same reason. To Paraphrase Kirk. "I've never trusted Activision, and I never will, I can never forgive them, for screwing up MechWarrior 2."

Pestalence · « **Reply #57 on:** August 30, 2003, 12:33:19 am »

This is in response to Crimick on the SFC 1 issue and patches...

Fact of the matter is this.. before Taldren was Taldren, they were 14 Degrees East. 14 Degrees East was an Internal game making section of interplay.. they partnered with Quicksilver Software for coding with the game... however, when 14 Degrees East disbanded, and formed Taldren.. and since the Contracts were internal.. support for SFC 1 went with it... Thus the 1.03 patch being final release allowed by Interplay, however it is still Unofficial according to Interplay... as it was created before 14 Degrees East disbanded, but released after Taldren formed... then out came SFC 2 with good graces between Taldren and Interplay... things didn't get bad until the Trek Liscense went up into the air and Activision bought them all.. but that's a different story.

Hopefully, maybe 1 day with David Ferrell being really nice, release an Unofficial 1.04 SFC 1 patch if he still has the game code or access to it.. I would really like to see the fix on the R-KCR for the ungodly power that it has... maybe drop it's power by at least 10.

but that is wishful thinking.. I still enjoy SFC 1...

and for anyone wanting to get SFC 1 working on XP again for both GSA and Single Player.. visit my SFC 1 web page at

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

thanks

vsfedwards · « **Reply #63 on:** August 30, 2003, 11:16:40 am »

Edited because i double posted.

PATCH NEEDED FOR: SFC1 SFC2:op + SFC3 - I wonder how many people are going to argue with me on that point.

rmahannah · « **Reply #65 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:07:14 am »

With all the great MODS that are out for the game, what is a final patch going to do for the game now??? I doubt the game developers are going to be able to top the MOD developers as far as new ideas, not to mention the fact that they won't have the time to even try..

Cleaven · « **Reply #66 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:11:59 am »

I didn't realise modders were also fixing game bugs. How are they doing that?

ActiveX · « **Reply #67 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:34:43 am »

We illegally hacked into SFC3's .gf files and looked at the code...

Then we ordered a pizza and went to play OP...

rmahannah · « **Reply #77 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:23:24 am »

Seriously... Have we had to wait this long for a patch before??? Obviously it is not a high priority.

Cleaven · « **Reply #80 on:** August 24, 2003, 05:10:16 am »

First you state that a patch is not needed, then you say that you have waited too long for a patch.

Either a patch is not needed because the modders have fixed everything, or a patch is needed (it has been a long while) and you are just trolling. Which is it?

David Ferrell · « **Reply #82 on:** August 24, 2003, 10:36:24 am »

I guess this means I can finally take that retirement I've
been looking forward to.

I'll just tell the makers of those fine mods that thier help
is no longer needed in testing a patch that is unneccessary.

Thanks,

Dave

feargusf · « **Reply #83 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:17:54 pm »

NOOOOOOO! In fact, I would rather you made Pelican and KoraH, along with the other Beta testers, put everything else on the back burner in favor of further intensive testing on new patch builds. Crack the whip, Mr. Ferrell!

Tulwar · « **Reply #85 on:** August 25, 2003, 12:17:15 am »

I agree, there is no need for a patch. I lost my CD code, my disk is corrupt, I've never installed it on this computer, and I didn't have any fun playing SFC3. Do I want a patch? What I'd really like is to see is something happen to Activision, so the license can be bought by a responcible publisher.

Dark Jedi · « **Reply #86 on:** August 25, 2003, 01:41:52 am »

Was this B.S. supposed to be a joke or what?

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 25, 2003, 03:25:17 am »

Naw,

TNZ is great, and a credit to both the modders and Taldren for making such a modable game.

Another patch would be great, but I must say that you did a relatively good job on the last one and that the game is mostly playable. One player found it SO good, he thought that someone else must have fixed it because of all of the problems he felt were solved. So I think that this thread is just an underhanded way of saying 'Way to go, Taldren. Keep up the good work, though at this rate you almost needn't you're doing such a fine job'

Or at least, that's how we should all take it, because we have a very uninformed poster at the helm.

Alexander

grave · « **Reply #91 on:** August 26, 2003, 02:45:35 am »

never did understand all this hype about errors and crahses, bugs and problems.... i run the game on and old 500mzh system but i have verry few problems with the game and think that it works fine even though it does CTD some times (most games do on my system)
i still enjoy playing this game and like being able to walk through the defualtcore.txt and change all the ships and wepons and what not i can install some wondful MOD's and play them(kudo's to the makers of those mods)
so all in all i am satisfyed with the game as is. though when we do get a non beta patch im almost certen(willing to take bets

that someone will STILL complain of how this or that isnt working right or something has disrupted the precious BALLANCE)
well now that ive said that back to the OOOHHH weres the patch debate.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #97 on:** August 26, 2003, 07:53:01 pm »

if your post was truly just that, then dont worry about it. many folks (including my self) feel that the game (as all trek games) have been abandon because of the lawsuit - if not before then as there might have been a ramp up/delay leading into it. i just do not know and cannot tell.. i just simply wish - well.. dream at this point - that there will be an official patch.

on the upside.. sfc3 is more stable of a product than 2 or op out of the box - thus helping somewhat and allowing modders some flexibility.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #102 on:** August 27, 2003, 04:56:08 am »

Fair, Nanner?

Fair would be making the programs we have paid for in the past, I.E. SFC1, SFC2, SFCOP work at LEAST 90% prior to worrying about patching SFC3.

And they (Dave F) have STILL been working on at LEAST OP (not sure if Dave has hung up the OP hat yet or not, he keeps coming back, God bless em!) but if you want a reason you dont have the same quality (Fairness?) in patching you have to look no further than Activision.

As for there only being "ONE" issue left in OP, you know that is a direct falsehood.

1)Fighters dont work, never have. They freeze up. They dissapear. They regenerate, etc.

2)Fleet control doesnt work. Didnt work in EAW, doesnt work in OP.

3)Cloak is better, but Tar(God bless HIM, too!) keeps finding things wrong with it, in fact it got better in .10 and then got worse in .12.

4)Hand of Bethke STILL eats ships. Not as often, at least for me and usualy it eats an AI, but it is still there.

5)Missions that have never worked and still dont.... For example, the Fleet Repair dock mission. "Fly into the nebula, find the neutral shipyard and try to recharge you ship", you know the one!

I personally would LOVE to see an SFC3 "OFFICIAL" patch, as I still play it in single too.

Dont disagree with most of your post Nanner, just the Anti-OP and anyone who likes it Parts.

SIgh. BTW, this post is not meant as a jab at Taldren, Dave F, Erik, Bruno, Or anyone else who works at Taldren on a daily basis and/or was involved in the creation of the SFC series of games, it is just a response to Nanners post. No flames. No insults. No references to body odors or sexual habits, etc.

HAND!

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 27, 2003, 10:49:55 pm »

Well, no, this thread really IS underhanded.

You come on here and tell all of the people that work at taldren that its okay, their months of work is useless because the modders have illegally fixed problems that they can't.

Not only is it patently false that any major mod has attempted to fix these problems but I would suspect that it is equally false that any of them COULD fix these problems. I mean, they're truely amazing programmers, but so are the people who work at Taldren, and THEY wrote the program from the ground up.

This thread is completely and totally uncalled for. It is alright to have an oppinion, but when that oppinion is offensive and incendiary it is NOT okay to use it and false information to attack Taldren.

Alexander

Mog · « **Reply #105 on:** August 28, 2003, 06:16:27 am »

Actually, SFC2 EAW had to wait what, some 5 or 6 months for the D2 to even be available, so there is a precedent as such for the SFC3 situation. That turned quite a number of players away.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #106 on:** August 28, 2003, 09:34:01 am »

the idea that sfc2 had to wait for a patch is false mog.. not so much that d2 had to wait (because it did have to wait as other issues were dealt with first), but that there was a patch out for sfc2 within weeks of the release of the game. there were some major issues with sfc2 when it first came out and they were patched almost immediately. it added in some things like making amd hit and runnable and plasma D in addition to making things more stable and removing bugs like the battery bug. while the fixes might not have been perfect. there was at least movment and hope.

with sfc3, there has been no demo and no official patch. it was released, when - october or november? that means its almost been a year without a single patch. yes, it has hurt the game. there are countless folks who will not play the game until there is an official patch out.

quick note. were there ever any sfc1 patches post sfc2 release? let alone a year after sfc1 was released. and yes, there are people who play sfc1 (still play it).

thanks.

Mog · « **Reply #107 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:04:07 am »

I didn't mention a patch for SFC2. I mentioned a major feature and selling point of SFC2 that was COMPLETELY MISSING at the time of release and didn't appear till the following May - for 5 to 6 months we were without the Dynaverse, and even when it was released it was, well you know very well what it was like. Your beloved SFC3 at least had that at its release. And for you to bemoan and begrudge patches coming out for OP since SFC3's release doesn't surprise me in the slightest. You're supposed to be an OP fan yourself. I'd have thought you'd be happy that after 2 years the OP D2 is finally playable without a bucketload of big workarounds.

The way you try and twist things that people type never ceases to amaze me.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #108 on:** August 28, 2003, 10:43:25 am »

mog, normally i would let your last remark go because it is nothing more than a personal attack which is blantantly false. but im not going to let another falsehood get out there.

yes, i do remember what it was like. yes, there was no d2, but SL was thriving, as was the GSA/mplayer lobby. the initial patches were very important both in fixing items and at least making a public appearance that there is an effort to fix problems.

fast foward to present day. no official patches have been released for sfc3. there was no demo.. however we have seen patches for op released. how do you think that looks to the average consumer - let alone just getting basic support for the game. my point is simply sfc3 has been treated very unfairly. whether its the political remarks by people such as your self about sfc3 - or the lack of an official patch.

now- to remark specificially to op.. yes, i prefere op over sfc2.. and the fixes are nice and were needed.. that said, how does it play out when op is being patched when sfc3 is showing no movement? the average person sees this and says why should they bother to spend there money or continue to play sfc3. dont believe me? someone posted that exact feeling a while ago.

that does mean that i am not glad to see the fixes for op happen.. however, it is very frustrating - and unfair how sfc has been treated. it is that simple.

just a couple of points to note for fact.

-> taldren is much more free to patch sfc2/op due to contract
-> taldren is restricted patching sfc3 due to contract

however

-> there were patches coming out nearly immediately for sfc2 and op after release. they might not be perfect, but they showed movment.
-> how many patches/build have there been for sfc2/op let alone game options added to the patches/builds?
-> how many patches were released for sfc1 after sfc2 was released?
-> was there a demo for sfc3?
-> it has been nearly a year since the release for sfc3 yet there is no patch. hopefully somthing will be done and get the approval stamp, but until then it is not gauranteed.

sfc3 has been treated unfairly. its plain and simple. the idea of sfc3 not needing a patch is an insult. i do believe there are some who feel that there should like there to be no sfc3 patch so more work can be done on op.

mog, it is you who are twisting things. please stop. thank you.

Mog · « **Reply #109 on:** August 28, 2003, 01:50:55 pm »

Dang, I haven't even said anything about an SFC3 patch. Where have I said that it doesn't deserve or need one? Again, you fail to read my posts correctly. My first post said there was a precedent for a long delay in that it took so long for a major feature of the game to even appear. You then dismiss that with the patches SFC2 received. My point was how many people left because of no D2 for the first 6 months? A lot of people bought it for the D2 feature. Not everyone was into SL.

For what it's worth, I fully agree with you that the patch situation for SFC3 is unsatisfactory. Irregardless of whether i like a game or not, it should be working as intended for the people who bought it.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #111 on:** August 28, 2003, 02:35:51 pm »

Golly, Crimmy...I have nothing to add!

You quote monster, you...

Deviak · « **Reply #112 on:** August 28, 2003, 04:44:46 pm »

wow, can't believe this post turned into a accusatory slingfest, I understood what rmahannah was saying the 1st time he said it.. mebbe people are too much on edge..good thing I took a hiatus from here..moved on and I feel very relaxed, looking on at HW2, though not really looking forward to that..or Breed..know how some of the ole die hards here HATE FPS..lol..and of course Halo PC..won't even go into that..but looking forward to those.

Of course I'm also following Starshatter, and some of you guys should too..especially since they cancelled IG3 aka GA, Starshatter is my last hope in anything sci fi. Anyway, that's all folks..I better get off here before I catch any frustration bugs you guys are carrying..hehe. Stay calm people..stay calm..

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #115 on:** August 29, 2003, 09:11:00 pm »

Activision is a poor publisher, that really is all that needs to be said. With the exception of Elite Force, every Activision game I own is quite simply crap, of course i dont own too many Activision Products for that same reason. To Paraphrase Kirk. "I've never trusted Activision, and I never will, I can never forgive them, for screwing up MechWarrior 2."

Pestalence · « **Reply #122 on:** August 30, 2003, 12:33:19 am »

This is in response to Crimick on the SFC 1 issue and patches...

Fact of the matter is this.. before Taldren was Taldren, they were 14 Degrees East. 14 Degrees East was an Internal game making section of interplay.. they partnered with Quicksilver Software for coding with the game... however, when 14 Degrees East disbanded, and formed Taldren.. and since the Contracts were internal.. support for SFC 1 went with it... Thus the 1.03 patch being final release allowed by Interplay, however it is still Unofficial according to Interplay... as it was created before 14 Degrees East disbanded, but released after Taldren formed... then out came SFC 2 with good graces between Taldren and Interplay... things didn't get bad until the Trek Liscense went up into the air and Activision bought them all.. but that's a different story.

Hopefully, maybe 1 day with David Ferrell being really nice, release an Unofficial 1.04 SFC 1 patch if he still has the game code or access to it.. I would really like to see the fix on the R-KCR for the ungodly power that it has... maybe drop it's power by at least 10.

but that is wishful thinking.. I still enjoy SFC 1...

and for anyone wanting to get SFC 1 working on XP again for both GSA and Single Player.. visit my SFC 1 web page at

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/sfc12.html

thanks

vsfedwards · « **Reply #128 on:** August 30, 2003, 11:16:40 am »

Edited because i double posted.

PATCH NEEDED FOR: SFC1 SFC2:op + SFC3 - I wonder how many people are going to argue with me on that point.

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