Topic: FASA Andor Missile Cruiser and FASA D-10 Kitbash Request (Read 6484 times)

Klingon Fanatic · « **on:** August 22, 2003, 10:08:35 am »

I know there are a couple of Andor retextures and possibly some Andor Class ships that are WIPs. Traditionally, the FASA ships that have made it to SFC have been upgraded along the way too and the Andor should be no exception.

When I saw this picture, I said, ?This has got to be made!? Admittedly, I never liked the Andor with the Connie secondary hull but the Excelsior style secondary hull has renewed my interest in this ship.

From Shipschematics.net:

Somebody please tackle this. I would think that using say Pataflafla?s textures, the SFC1 Andor Mod file and maybe P81?s or Moonraker?s Excelsior this could be kitbashed into a fine ship.

I am also looking for somebody to kitbash Atrahasis? D-10B by add D?deridex?s L-9 Saber command pod to it to get FASA?s latest model D-10.

D?deridex if you read this, please e-mail me your Romulan T-10 variant (upward wings).

Terradyne, please release your FASA Romulan V-20 and Klingon D-16 soon?

I need to put up a few retextures (Remora 100m Police variant and USS Illustrious retexture) on STMODDIRECTORY this weekend.

I would like to update the state of the FASA to SFC collection by Labor Day and get it in the mail to a host shortly there after (209 MB so far?)

Thanks for everyone?s help.

Qapla!

KF

starforce2 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2003, 01:08:13 pm »

edit-nevermind that old comment, yur looking for an upgrade.

If yur going to make an excelcior era andor, lose the old connie saucer, it looks dumb and would be way too small, same goes for the nacelles. Use 1701-b parts for the saucer and nacelles too.

Marauth · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2003, 01:34:19 pm »

Erm, yeah right, well then you'd have to ditch the connie nacelles aswell, the ship should retain the connie saucer, the sec hull is not exactly an excelsior hull, it just looks similar to one and could be more like the Lexington from KA that WZ just did it's a connie/excelsior crossover, the Andor could be done in the same style, mixing details from both.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2003, 02:01:45 pm »

I could see Kreeargh?s Illustrious Class secondary hull being elongated and used, as an alternative to an Excelsior class secondary hull. The Illustrious? secondary hull looks like a good match but again, it needs to be elongated as it would probably be too short in length to be a perfect match.

The idea here is to create a refit in the same THEME as FASA Trek. For example, the Makotokat/Fabio version of Lt. Kevin Riley?s USS Phobos, is the quentessential ideal for a FASA refit of the Loknar class. Similarly, Atrahasis? D-10B is the quintessential refit for the FASA Klingon D-10 Riskadh class.

As for an Excelsior saucer and engines, I don?t think that would be a good match; you?d end up with a totally different class and that takes away from the FASA theme IMHO. That might be a good TNG variant, but as somebody else at the forums has pointed out, "...We don't have a good TMP one yet!"

Now the Klingon Academy Lexington suggestion; that I?d like to see?

Qapla!

KF

starforce2 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2003, 02:53:33 am »

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Erm, yeah right, well then you'd have to ditch the connie nacelles aswell, the ship should retain the connie saucer, the sec hull is not exactly an excelsior hull, it just looks similar to one and could be more like the Lexington from KA that WZ just did it's a connie/excelsior crossover, the Andor could be done in the same style, mixing details from both.

That's what I was saying. Excelcior saucer, or perhaps cuztom saucer tyhat is neither connie or excel, and shrter excel nacelles (like mackies nickasalus for example) and excel drive section. And since when is an excel only tmp? Excel's would have been in service during the andors carrear. Infact, connie refits and miranda sare only what, 20 years prior to excel's? anbd considering that they are accepted as 100+ year space frames, it's not that big of a streach.

Marauth · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2003, 08:00:46 am »

Yes but it's kind of universally accepted that the Excelsior was not put into production untill the Excelsior herself launched sometime between 2286 (ST:V when it was still a prototype) and 2293 (ST:VI and VII when the Excelsior and Enterprise-B where both in service) and that is really stretching it too make TMP it's more a pre-TNG ship (anything between 2293 and 2364)

[rant]so the Andor class itself is always associated by people who play FASA and like the design (or those who've never played FASA) to be a connie style design, replacing the components with blatant excelsior components just wouldn't fit the design, it wouldn't be the Andor anymore, it wouldn't be a refit either as you can't just chop bits of a ship and replace them with bits of another, that cheap kitbashing sh*t just wouldn't work in reality (don't say it's just a game I know that and hate that mentality) an Excelsior based Andor would have top be a completely different ship in the same way the Connie and Excelsior are completely different ships.[/rant]

Azel · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2003, 08:38:52 am »

OK look ...this version of the Andor could be used from the infamous "frankenstein fleet" of the domimion war
That way it can just go as is...or if you like it can be a a new ship design...seeing as the secondary hull is a Ingram refit
Excelsior-Class...I have not seen one Ingram Yet to have been modelled...so the ship can just stand as is aswell

NEWS:
I am working on an Andor TNG Refit...hopefully I can give this ship some justice

Marauth · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2003, 10:15:46 am »

I was not reffering to the level of technology present in the Excelsior when I made the comment about the Excelsior being a Pre-TNG ship rather than a TMP ship, I personally am of the opinion that the Excelsior would have to have been in development from sometime in the mid to late 2260s (i.e. during TOS) for the registries of various other ships to match up, for example in ST:TMP if you listen to the radio chatter in the scene with the Epsilon 9 station you can hear mention of the USS Star League I believe NCC-2101 - the film is set in 2271 and so sets back the Excelsior development at least to the late 2260s (I'm aware they cut the 2101 line out of the film after ST:III was made so they didn't have to make an excuse why the Excelsior had a lower registry but really the idea they could have designed, developed and completely constructed a brand new starship with a completely revolutionary warp drive system from scratch in the period between ST:II and ST:III is completely laughable)

What I was infact reffering too when I said that the Excelsior components could not be used for the Andor is just that - the exterior shape of the hull and components like the deflector or impulse engines could not be used why would Starfleet make the Excelsior by cobbling together components they tested on other ships without any aesthetic link or modification? Basically even thought the interior technological components of the Andor's deflector could be the same or similar to that of the Excelsior the external appearance would have no need nor basis to exactly resemble the deflector on the Excelsior.

No offense but most of the FASA ships look fugly - obviously there are exceptions, but I just don't like the laziness of the FASA designers, they just took the connie saucer nacelles and in some cases torpedo pods or secondary hull along with the Miranda extension, and butchered them into a variety of geometric shapes and details that make no sense, the Northampton may look goot, but it makes no logical sense, what the hell was Stafleet thinking with those massive extensions to hold the nacelles, only to have the nacelles almost touching! (the reason the nacelles on the connie are held away from the hull is for safety so having the nacelles ina position as on the Northampton or the Thurfir or even the Andor is basically suicide if the nacelles have to be jetissoned)

Anyway I have no real complaints about the design at the top of this page (other than the engine positioning) the sec hull is similar but not a replica of the Excelsior's which I think looks very nice. If I had the skills, and the software then I would be working on this ship now instead of ranting about the lack of foresight of the FASA designers and other kitbashers.

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2003, 11:47:23 am »

KF, give me links to download the two klingon models you mentioned and I'll do it. When I was retexing the D-18 I was reading my Klingon ship recognition manual and noticed the D-10 variant you mentioned and I thought about making it, but I thought, "nah, nobody would want that." So I never did it. Give me the links and I'll have it done the same day for you.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:09:56 pm »

I'm pretty sure I have Atra's FASA D-10, if you want it, KoraH. Just drop me a PM and we'll set up a way to get it to you.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:12:32 pm »

is anyone going to build this?

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:59:42 pm »

TVL,

At no time have I ever believed that FASA Trek was the end all and be all of Trek games, LOL. You are, pardon the pun, 'dead on' about many FASA ships being "fugly". I would say most of the better ones have been done. FASA Trek falls down in a lot of places, especially in ship componant sizes, placement of warp engines (on Andorian designed ships, LOL) and even ship masses... Then again Klingon Academy drops the ball with Tholians that can't board or be boarded (ridiculous) and come to think of it, I don't know any Trek game that is "dead on" LOL.

Regarding the Excelsior secondary hull, I would have been happy with an Illustrious, Genser, Makin or even a Lenthal secondary hull as an alternative.

Nannerslug,

I have it on good authority that this ship is officially a 'WIP'.

Best wishes to all.

KF

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2003, 03:00:25 pm »

KF how about those links?

Magnum357 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2003, 03:11:05 pm »

UHG!!!!!! A lot of complaining about a ship that doesn't even exist in the FASA Star Trek game. All right, I'm almost done with a few SFB ships I have been working on. Just by the fact that someone doesn't like the idea of making this sort of design of Excelcior components, I think I might do a quick "Kitbash" detour just to make it for the fun of it.

Marauth · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2003, 03:30:12 pm »

So is anyone making this Andor variant yet? (yes I like it and want it)

Magnum357 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 23, 2003, 03:33:21 pm »

Ya, but I got a problem. I need some good parts of the Enterprise-A and an Excelcior. I have Wicked Zombies FCA but it pretty hefty in the poly count and I want to use components from much lower polycount models. I could easily use stock Taldren Models in OP, but I think most people here would prefer a little more detail then those models provide.

Anybody got any suggestions on a good Enterprise-A and Excelcior Models that are not too high in Poly count? In other words, something under 3000 polys would be helpful.

Marauth · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2003, 03:52:49 pm »

Well P81's last connie and his second from last Excelsior would fit that poly requirement and are currently the norm for kitbash-chic, I personally don't like the textures that much (way too much bump-maping and shading) but as long as you don't have too much modification of the meshes in mind then they should do fine.

Really I'd advise using the P81 conie and excelsior (not his last one it's too high poly for your requirments and the textures wouldn't match up, but the one before it) for a mid poly version, then I'll pester you to do one with WZ's connie and his soon to be released Excelsior/Ent-B (he has them in the works right now.)

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #20 on:** August 23, 2003, 05:45:16 pm »

You can download the FASA D-10H from my Nightsoft gallery downloads page here.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #21 on:** August 23, 2003, 06:48:44 pm »

Thank You Captain KoraH!

Another fine set of additions to the FASA to SFC Collection.

KF

Magnum357 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2003, 11:14:13 pm »

Hey Klingon Fanatic, if I do make this Kitbash, how do you want the Warp Engines? Should I make them close to what the pic has or have them outside and away from the ship?

Also, I think I will make some slight modifications to the design to make it a little more beleiveable since FASA was not very good in this department.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2003, 11:56:53 pm »

Fair enough. I will see what I can do with the design you got. Might take a me a little while to get it done. not quite done with the current project I'm doing. I will let you know on this board when she's ready.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2003, 01:43:25 am »

Hey Klingon Fanatic, I got some bad news. I think I'm going to have to pull out of this project for now. I use Milkshape to build my models and it works great making custom made models, but it not so good trying to kitbash models with. I tried working on it tonight, but I'm running into some major hurdles that are really making this difficult. I would suggest you ask someone else on this board to help you for now becuase at the rate I'm going it could take months to get a model like this ready for you and I really have other projects I was planning to get done aswell.

Sorry I can't help you on this. I know you really want the a model like this badly. I will try to work on it from time to time, but I will have to put it on the back burner unless someone else is willing to help out.

Marauth · « **Reply #29 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:56:59 pm »

But M6 can't be used for texturing, and what's CV and what can it do?

Marauth · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:19:33 pm »

I know you can apply different textures to different areas that you select but it's just remapping, you can't import a NEW texture to an existing mesh with M6 - one of the major pitfalls of the prog, oh and not handling textures larger than 512x512 or being able to do DPs or glows (not that I mod SFCIII) or _brk.mods

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2003, 08:09:47 pm »

BUMP for news.

Anybodyknow if Arachne's Andor retexture has been released yet?

KF

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #35 on:** August 26, 2003, 07:57:44 pm »

BUMP

News:

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