Topic: Thu11s, where arrrre yooouuuu?! (Read 6540 times)

FireSoul · « **on:** August 13, 2003, 09:53:14 am »

I have been trying to reach Thu11s. About a week ago or so, I sent an email asking permission to modify some of the FeralYard models to create some additional variants, such as the OmniHawk, MegaHawk, Gorn Tug, etc..
.. but got no response.

.. and I have created them. Except, how bad would it be if I included these in my mod and made them available on my website? I haven't gotten an answer to the emails.

FireSoul · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2003, 10:02:20 am »

MegaHawk. SFB Module R7:
An additional 2 SparrowHawk engines were installed onto a Hawk-series hull. This ship is very much like a KillerHawk, except it's heavier. It's a DN, and sports the same plasma complement as a KHK: 1xR, 2xS, 2xF. It has never been built, but the design included many variants, since it's modular.

OmniHawk. SFB Module R7:
1 Additional SparrowHawk engine was installed onto a Hawk-series hull. This ship is considered a "Light DreadNought" and has a lighter movement cost. The PLaR has been replaced by a light PLaS, but like the MGH it's very modular and can sport many different SparrowHawk configurations.

Gorn Fleet Tug. SFB Module "Advanced Missions".
The rear "bubble" is an attachable pod. It can be a cargo pod, commando pod, battle pod, etc.. The pod is detachable, hence the no-pod model.

See what I mean? These things are good enough to be used/released.. but not with Thu11s' permission which he requests when you install his models.

Captain Ron · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2003, 11:04:37 am »

Try at frost works some one there maybe able to get you intouch with him.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2003, 11:29:35 am »

Hey FireSoul:

I really like what you've done with Thu11s' models. I hope that he gets back to you soon with his blessing.

In the meantime, I was wondering (assuming Thu11s gives you further permission) if you would be willing to make a couple more variants of the Killerhawk and/or Firehawk.

Specifically, I always thought the two ships would be neat in "lighter" versions as well, namely by removing the two nacelles on top of the secondary hull, thereby putting them in a class between Heavy Cruiser and Light Cruiser. Just a thought (hint, hint).

FireSoul · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2003, 11:41:49 am »

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Hey FireSoul:

I really like what you've done with Thu11s' models. I hope that he gets back to you soon with his blessing.

In the meantime, I was wondering (assuming Thu11s gives you further permission) if you would be willing to make a couple more variants of the Killerhawk and/or Firehawk.

Specifically, I always thought the two ships would be neat in "lighter" versions as well, namely by removing the two nacelles on top of the secondary hull, thereby putting them in a class between Heavy Cruiser and Light Cruiser. Just a thought (hint, hint).

Heh.
Nah. I'm just trying to create models for ships in my mod that are distinctively different than the models I am currently using. This is why I have been working on tugs and such. (previous posts) I suggest you get the trial version of 3ds, and the R4 plugin module to be able to import/export .MOD files. You could do that variant fairly easily enough.

.. y'see.. since I have been using his models as part of my mod (I asked permission for redistribution).. it only makes sense that the models for tugs and such match his. Between that and shiplist corrections I'm doing, I don't have much time to answer requests that aren't on the list.

List?
.. I am thinking redoing the HLTT, LLTT to match his stuff, starting off by modifying his models. Also, I'm thinking of adding in a more accurate HTUG based on his Ranger model. There's also a question of preparing a proper GDND (Destroyer Dreadnought) from a modified HDD (just like the SSD)..

Kaenyne · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2003, 12:47:35 pm »

Hey, that's cool. I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.

I have absolutely NO expereice in modeling but I'd like to give it try. Relatively simple stuff like removing engines or replacing pparts with other part (like changing out bridge modules, etc.).

Would 3ds and the R4 plugin be good for a novice like me?

If so, hwre could I download them? Do they cost anything?

Thanks!

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2003, 12:47:47 pm »

Pretty cool Firesoul!

Gorn destroyer dreadnought? Sort of a TNG Defiant for the Gorn? Sounds very interesting! RE: the Romulan Omni-Hawk and cousin, (NOT a criticism) don't you think the extra engines are a little overkill? Then agian the stock Taldren KBB/KDNs were off on their engine counts too, LOL!

I'll try to get ahold of Thulls for you.

Qapla!

KF

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2003, 07:43:02 pm »

really the only tools you need are Max, and the r4 plugin. If you want to do some textures of your own, then you'll need an art program. A lot of people use Paint Shop Pro, because it's much cheaper than PhotoShop, but those are the two major programs for creating textures that I've seen around.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2003, 09:50:36 pm »

I use Paint Shop Pro 5.0 (latest version is 7.0) because its extremely cheap compared to the newer version. I only payed like 20 bucks for it www.half.com, while the 7.0 version is like 100 bucks. Paint Shop Pro has just about all the tools you need in order to make bitmaps for the models. Although Photoshop is used extensively as well and has tons of capabilities, I find the program difficult to use and PSP is much easier to run on lower end systems because the system requirements are much less then in Photoshop. Also, if you get a copy with a manual, its much easier to use then Photoshop in my opinion.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2003, 11:03:43 pm »

I agree with that, although I bought v6 and 7(cheaper because I bought 6). With photoshop it was like pullin' teeth to get anything done. I was always fighting the program, and just couldn't get the effects I wanted. I slipped fairly easily into PSP. On the other hand my cousin is very prificient in Photoshop, and he does some pretty impressive stuff every now and again which makes me want to go learn that, but it just never works out for me.

FireSoul · « **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2003, 02:10:34 am »

Here's what I think the final result of the GDND will look like. It's the front of the HDD, with a .. ..a.. a big rear.

The G-DND is from SFB Module R10. The Gorn Confederacy made a single failed prototype. It couldn't handle motion stress: the design called for the warp engines to be attached to the HDD's hull instead of the sturdier DN rear. This design could be used in an emergency, but don't depend on being able to withstand HETs. (HET success: 66% for 1st HET. 33% for following HETs.)

Compare with thu11s' normal GDN
Compare to his unmodified GHDD

Tomorrow I merge the parts, ..etc..etc..
.. Question! .. what's the best way to merge parts together without blowing away the textures? I use "collapse" and it causes havok to the textures.

-- Luc

Captain Ron · « **Reply #15 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:54:13 am »

Kaenyne,

For about 25 bucks, if you want to use it past 30 days, you can use MilkShape for kitbashing. The plug ins you need can be found on this forum as well as the link to milkshape. It will let you build models as well as kitbash and apply textures to them. If you have a scanner installed you also already have a basic version of paint shop. It is enough to see if it is something you want to get into with out the 300-1500 dollar investment in the professional programs.

GT-Keravnos · « **Reply #16 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:45:32 pm »

Firesoul,

PLEASE, consider Thu's Hydrans for submission as well. They would make wonderful LATE era entries...

I think you should consider adding them instead of the Taldren ones all together (he he he)

Ok, I just loved Thu's Hydran models. That Hydran PF wasn't too shabby too. Any chances it gets on the act as well?

GT-Keravnos · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2003, 05:05:48 pm »

please consider the Thu's Hydrans. They would made excellent additions-replacements.

I am thinking late era, and the use of the Fast Boat...

But anyway, do consider them..
Thank you

FireSoul · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2003, 04:12:02 am »

I already am using his Hydrans.

FireSoul · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2003, 02:58:12 pm »

Bump. Still no life.

FireSoul · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2003, 08:48:47 pm »

Latest additions to the unreleased list:

Hydran Caravan Tug :

Hydran New Llama Tug :

FireSoul · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:04:07 pm »

Hydran Mule Light Tactical Transport :

Kaenyne · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2003, 08:10:35 am »

Hey FireSoul!

Just dropping by to give you a thumbs up on your latest creations.

They are very nice looking, sir!

I really do hope Thu11s shows up soon and gives you permission to release 'em all!

FireSoul · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2003, 12:09:16 pm »

Lyran Light Tactical Transport (LTT) with 1 pod.
Yes, that's a Klingon Pod. The LTT uses a purchased (and modified) Klingon pod.

Rogue · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2003, 12:40:21 pm »

Good stuff FireSoul. Hope Feral discovers this thread soon. Likely he will give you the endorsement and we can equip the SFC universe with these. BTW, anything happening on the Kzinti side of the border for Tugs yet? I'm using the Fleetdock 13 models for now in hopes we will have appropriate replacements. Thanks for all your efforts.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #30 on:** August 18, 2003, 06:40:02 pm »

Heh, yeah I think I have a Mirak tug up somewhere. The pallet up front is just rediculous though (sometimes I dont' know what goes through my head). The tug in question, assuming it's there, was a joint effort between Atticbat and myself. Atticbat kitbashed a Taldren model and I did the pod, he adjusted the textures. Very little (and poor) work on my part. Anyhow, it might give a starting place, I 'll have to take a look at it. Didn't know anyone even remembered those models (kinda wish they didn't

)

Rogue · « **Reply #31 on:** August 18, 2003, 07:54:32 pm »

I'm kind of sneaky like that. I figured you had them uploaded somewhere and I found the experimental Kzinti tug there. Granted the pods are ludicrously large but the tug itself was a really neat design. FireSoul really needs to see it as it should be used. I liked you Lyran stuff so much I just couldn't wait for the official releases and went looking for them. I hope you don't mind.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #32 on:** August 18, 2003, 09:59:39 pm »

np, dig around all you want. Glad you are enjoying them

Kaenyne · « **Reply #34 on:** August 20, 2003, 08:16:50 am »

I 'm flattered you asked, FireSoul!

To tel l you the truth, I'm not 100% sure on this one.

Being this is a modelers world (and I am certainly not one, just an admirer and collector), some may feel protective of their works. In this case, their websites usually have a statement regarind the usage of their models, posting pics, modifying them, etc. And if memory serves, www.feralyards.co.uk does not contain any such statement. With that in mind, it could be assumed Thu11s does not feel particularly protective of his models.

And since there are no financial factors involved or copyrights, etc. the only real concern is artistic ethics.

To sum this up: as long as you make sure to give credit to the original artist and you have "modified" a previous work (which you have done), I see no real probelm EXCEPT perhaps Thu11s might be miffed. But in his case, I think he would be rather flattered. Maybe he would even post them on his own site (if you ever get hold of him that is).

Well, that's my two cents.

Captain Ron · « **Reply #35 on:** August 20, 2003, 11:14:58 am »

Did you try frost works, P81 might know where he is.

FireSoul · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2003, 11:10:03 pm »

Aiiight. Look.
Since I have been unable to reach Thu11s via email, or here in the forums, I'm gonna go ahead and use my modification of his material and release it within my mod. It will be the only way that I will be distributing this material unless I recieve a go-ahead to release the models individually. I find that an acceptable compromise, especially since:

a- it *IS* said that all this material really belongs to Taldren and Paramount..
b- I personally think that I have done good work that needs to be used.

-- Luc

Thu11s · « **Reply #40 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:34:08 am »

Ok, its official, I'm crap

Sorry for not getting back to anyone on this till now, been on me Hols for a bit and only recently started trawling through my mail

You gotta worry when you log in and it says "2523 new posts"!!!!! lol

K, as far as this lot goes, sweet! go for it. The only thing I ever ask is that credit is given where credit is due, only fair. In all my downloads will be a "credit.txt" file, this gives details of the models origins, so follow that and you can't go worng. The only other thing I ask is that people let me know what there doing, but thats more to do with curiousity/interest than any major concern about plagerism (spelling?) etc. I've e-mailed Emerald Edge and let him know the score and I'll try and get something up on my site regarding permissions etc.

I love the Romulan & Gorn stuff you've done, can never have to much SFB stuff if you ask me

Keep em coming

Still around, still working......

Thu11s

<EDIT> cool, 500 posts! feels like more.....

FireSoul · « **Reply #42 on:** August 24, 2003, 06:18:28 am »

First, completed LOD updates on FeralYards-made attrition units. These really do HELP with game performance. Otherwise, these models are Thu11s'.

Gorn PF: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_gft.zip

Hydran Fighter: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_hft.zip

Lyran PF: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_lpft.zip

Pirate PF: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_ppft.zip

Romulan Interceptor: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_rint.zip

Romulan StarHawk PF: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/FeralYards/FeralYards_LODs_rpft.zip

FireSoul · « **Reply #43 on:** August 24, 2003, 06:32:41 am »

Next, Models that I've created based on materials by thu11s. These don't have LODs (yet?).

Lyran LTT with (Klingon-purchased) pod

LDR LTT with (klingon-purchased) pod

Gorn Dreadnought-Destroyer

Gorn HDT Light Tactical Transport (LTT)

Gorn HDT, with 0 pods

Gorn Fleet Tug

Gorn Fleet Tug, with 0 pods.

Hydran LTT

Hydran New Llama Tug

Hydran Caravan Fleet Tug

Romulan MegaHawk Dreadnought

Romulan OmniHawk Light Dreadnought

To Thu11s:
YES, I do think that these would go nicely onto your site.

-- Luc

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #44 on:** August 24, 2003, 06:56:54 am »

My Thanks to both of you for making the game so fantastic to play and I also think that Firesoul's tugs based on your design work will be a great addition to your web site keep up the fantastic work

Rogue · « **Reply #45 on:** August 24, 2003, 08:46:29 am »

Thanks for the new starships. It is a very good thing to have specific models for the what FireSoul has givin us back from SFB. Just looking at the pics provided, is there a difference between the Gorn LTT and the fleet tug?

And now that Feral has poked his nose back in... mmm, any thoughts on the missing skyhawk or seahawk models?

I know, I'm a bad boy. In my defense, I like what he's done so much that it seems a shame they don't exist yet.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #46 on:** August 24, 2003, 08:55:12 am »

FireSoul,
I like the models. I've always thought that the Tugs (and carriers too, hint) get too little support. One thought on the Lyran/LDR pods. Don't you think that they would've painted them to their fleet colors instead of leaving them Klingon green?

Marauth · « **Reply #49 on:** August 24, 2003, 10:09:05 am »

Well to be fair Taldren's ones suck (more **** than a cheap whore) no offense to the guys who made them but they were intended to have the game run on machines that have been surpassed many times over and when compared to anything that's being made today they crumple like a paper bag. You and Thu11s have taken the components from Taldren pretty much to the very limit of what can be done with them. Thu11s' Skyhawk (the WIP shots of it anyway) were/are a quantum leap from the stock SEA/SKA.

Oh and don't forget Thu11s had a K-RKL in the works (Klingonised Sparrowhawk) and he never even got around to the KCN or PF Tenders (we're so greedy aren't we

)

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #51 on:** August 24, 2003, 02:39:32 pm »

I think I can make a good list of the models that we'd still like Thu11 to finish/work on:

Seahawk DD
Skyhawk FF
Revised Starhawk PF. Look at it and compare it to the later stuff, it's just not the same.
Overseer BCV model
Cavalier CV model
Monarch-V BBV model

I'd also like a revision of the CVA model. The launch tubes look too large to me personally.

Marauth · « **Reply #52 on:** August 24, 2003, 03:04:25 pm »

Well the Starhawk is understandable really I mean he made it using stock Taldren pieces (my opinion on which can be seen a bit up this page) FYI the Skyhawk (R-SKA) is the RDD while the Seahawk (R-SEA) is the frigate, the SKA is an SEA with a modified K-D5 boom and a new command hull attached to the front, the only Skyhawk with no klingon components was the SKL Skyhawk Leader which had a type-G plasma and was considered to be taking the spaceframe well beyond it's limits and only a few were ever built. Don't forget the roms also need a KCN battleship and Thu11s supposedly had a pretty much whole fleet of ISC ships being worked on only a few were released. I had actually forgotten about those missing Hydrans it's been so long

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