Topic: The Captain's Chair CD: your opinion of the Connie (Read 2577 times)

Atrahasis · « **on:** August 08, 2003, 08:00:14 am »

I've never seen the actual CD but only a pic from it, but there is one diagram from The Captain's Chair that says the TOS Constitution has AFT torpedo tube(s) coming from that deck below the clamshell hangar doors, as well as phasers if I recall correctly.

What do you all say, yay or nay?

Things to consider: That ship really needs aft weapons. Even in Klingon Academy it has aft phasers at least.

The NX-01 has aft weapons. If the Connie doesn't have any that would've been just downright inane.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2003, 11:44:03 am »

I agree...the Connie should have aft weapons, at least a couple of phasers and a torp tube or 2. I mean, even in TOS,. the Enterprise is supposed to be the best the fleet has produced, but a rear vulnerable ship wouldn't fit that.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2003, 01:15:29 pm »

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I agree...the Connie should have aft weapons, at least a couple of phasers and a torp tube or 2. I mean, even in TOS,. the Enterprise is supposed to be the best the fleet has produced, but a rear vulnerable ship wouldn't fit that.

There is no need for RA weapons when you dont turn tail....They didnt need rear arcs till TNG...hehe

sandman69247 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2003, 01:21:58 pm »

But they're not for turning tail...they're for those sneak attacks in the back that those Klinks and Roms are so proud of lol.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2003, 02:30:20 pm »

if you want to make a model for a connie that has an aft tube, go for it.

i do think that the actual model has aft phaser spots above the hangar, but i havent seen the aft tube on the real model before.

ChrisJohnson · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2003, 04:19:51 pm »

There's also a non-canon reference of the Big E before her refit firing aft Photorps one time... I read about it on a TOS novel, "Assignment: Eternity"... A great novel that focuses on Gary Seven.

manitoba · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2003, 04:26:18 pm »

yes she did have both aft weapons 1 aft torp and 2 aft phasers just cant remembers where i seen it

Stormbringer · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:41:02 pm »

In SFB she was refitted as were most of the other ships including other races empires ships to have rear defenses. Not devastating. Just enough to discourage tailgaters.

starforce2 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:29:06 am »

They may not have needed aft weapons in tng, but they were clearly visable. And picard did use aft torpedoes a couple times. Voyager used aft phasers. The TMP constitution had 2 turrets clearly visable. It is only logical To assume the tos had some as well. Heck, even the Vorcha class has rear banks. I wouldn't doubt the ktinga and thus D7 also have some form of aft energy weapon atleast.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2003, 04:53:31 pm »

Hello James,

Yep,
I agree, that always bugged me too,

For some reason,
The Feds signed the Treaty of Algeron with the Romulan Empire,
in it the Feds promised NOT to develop "cloaking technology",

In my opinion,
I have never really heard a convincing reason why the Feds would have said,
"Ok, no Cloaks"

Here is a ST: TNG link

The Pegasus
TNG #
[ Ooops site down, I''ll put it in later]

PS, It always seemed like a really bone-head treaty,

Take care,

GeneralWolfe

Capt. Sarmox · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2003, 05:59:45 pm »

The real life reason I've read for no UFP cloaks is that Roddenberry felt it went against Starfleet role as peaceful explorers to be sneaking around. Never mind that cloaks would help immensely in surveying highly advanced but still pre-warp cultures.

One thing to note is that the blueprints done by David Kimble and releases around the time of TMP list the refit Enterprise as having a cloak. While we never saw the UFP use them in the movies, it's possible Starfleet fielded cloak capable ships between @2270 and the signing of the Treaty of Algeron in 2311. I wonder if the Tomed incident which lead to the treaty and a long period of Romulan isolation had something to do with Starfleet's use or development of advanced cloaking technology?

manitoba · « **Reply #15 on:** August 09, 2003, 06:24:50 pm »

i do remember a TNG episode where a facility was cloaked to keep an eye on a civilization once. granted it was a planet observation post post but it was a cloaked federation one

Grav · « **Reply #16 on:** August 09, 2003, 06:30:26 pm »

wasnt that a film Insurrection i think (but the thing wasnt cloaked was it, it had like a hologram at the entrance)

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2003, 05:52:16 am »

A tos Constitution class with Aft firing torpedo it would be a nice variant and there's already a Tmp version from Ships of the Starfleet in the USS America. I like the Idea.

MajorRacal · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2003, 05:07:08 am »

I'm sure the FASA sourcbooks listed one of the TMP Constitution/Enterprise (Mk III, I think it was) with aft phasers and a single aft torpedo, although I personally couldn't see a suitable hardpoint for them... I'd imagine a photon bay could be fitted under the shuttle bay, but both that and any phasers would probably have terribly limited fields of fire because of the warp pylon/nacelle configuration - of course that could just be me...

MajorRacal

Atrahasis · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2003, 06:16:45 am »

See, the conundrum is this: There is at least one Paramount diagram and various Paramount sources (KA for one) which say that the TOS Connie had at least aft phaser banks and even a torp tube. Howevr, if this is true then why does the Refit Connie not have an aft torp tube? Why would they get rid of a perfectly good weapon like that when the geenral idea was to ADD more weapons on the ship to make it powerful enough to take on the latest Kling ships (which by the way have aft torps of course, so it's not an issue of "turning tail and running").

Hmmmm

I like to think the TOS Connie had at least aft phasers below the clamshell doors, becaus there are actually a series of lit greeblies there that COULD be phasers or something like that, but you don't have a similar arrangement on the Refit Connie, whose aft phasers are positioned ABOVE the clamshell doors. In fact, if those greeblies were not aft phasers and were instead some kind of navigational landing device/arrangement then obviously they are not really needed because the TMP refit does away with them completely. So, you could surmise that they are not for that purpose, and hence could be weapon hardpoints. The mind reels.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2003, 06:29:34 am »

However, with the "aft torp" hypothesis there arises a problem: if there is a tube on that deck then there is not any or very little room for the "shuttle pad" which accoridng to the Tech Manual descends from the main hangar and into that bottom deck which houses additional shuttles. HOWEVER.....I might point out that I don't think we ever ever saw that little round shuttle pad descend into teh lower deck in an episode. We saw it turn 180 degrees to make the shuttle face the doors ready to launch, but the idea that it actually descends into the lower deck may be just Tech Manual supposition.

Hmmmm

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