Topic: Dates for FASA ships (Read 5416 times)

Atrahasis · « **on:** August 07, 2003, 12:53:07 am »

If anyone cares, I think I've figured out the dating system for the FASA ships. Basically the dates are given in centennials of the birth of the UFP. Basically, the base year is 2253, which is 100 years after the birth of the UFP. So, in a date like 2/1706, the only important number is the 17, which you would add to 2253 to get 2270. The 1/ or 2/ means the century since the birth. It certainly helps to understand the FASA ships better.

If you don't like the FASA ships congesting your early/middle/late eras because of all those other ships, you can easily add FASA ships to the late/advanced era by adding 20 years to their starting dates, whcih makes the bulk of them start around 2290 and beyond, which fills that decade out quite nicely.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2003, 05:24:31 am »

Thanks for the info Atrahasis!

Since I no longer have any FASA Trek rulebooks that was very helpful to jog my memory about stardates in FASA.

Have you revised your FASA ship stats since a year ago? I can e-mail you what you did before if you want.

Qapla!

KF

Atrahasis · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2003, 06:01:12 am »

Thanks KF, I actually still have my stats and am considering filling out the rest of the FASA fleet with a consistent basis. I know the Chandley is your favorite ship and I recall that you said it should be at least a heavy cruiser, but if you think about it, it is actually undergunned, less so than even a light cruiser, if you consider the REAL specs of an Enterprise and a Miranda. Sorry, this is just what I have been thinking of lately, I'm not deriding your fav ship on purpose, because I in fact like the Chandley as well.

For example, the Chandley has those 12 saucer phasers like any other Fed ship, but that's it. It has two fore torp launchers and two aft torp launchers. But if you think about it, even the Miranda has more guns than that with its two cannons at the ends of the rollbars, in addition to everything else the Chandley has. Also, of course, the Enterprise itself has 18 phasers.

So, in that light, the FASA "frigates", which are actually very powerful ships, will fall somewhere UNDER the rank of a light cruiser when weapons alone are considered. This goes for the Northampton, Thufir, and Loknar as well. So perhaps they can, when everything is considered, be called some kind of "frigate", perhaps "heavy frigates"? Basically ships with lighter armament than a light cruiser but can mass pretty high, possibly even up to a light cruiseer or heavy cruiser mass range. It works out even better if you make the entry dates for these FASA "heavy frigates" really late, like after 2290, because by that time their armament is so light, especially when compared to an Excelsior, that they really could be "frigates", especially the smaller-massed ships like the Thufir, Loknar, and Northampton as well. Chandley is still a big-ass ship, but it's armament would not really exceed that of say a Knox-class frigate from "Ships of the Starfleet", which has 12 saucer phasers and two phaser cannons that shoot fore/aft.

So I say those FASA frigates are indeed frigates, but maybe the Chandley and Northampton should be classified as "heavy frigates". What d'ya think of that?

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2003, 08:59:53 am »

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Thanks KF, I actually still have my stats and am considering filling out the rest of the FASA fleet with a consistent basis. I know the Chandley is your favorite ship and I recall that you said it should be at least a heavy cruiser, but if you think about it, it is actually undergunned, less so than even a light cruiser, if you consider the REAL specs of an Enterprise and a Miranda. Sorry, this is just what I have been thinking of lately, I'm not deriding your fav ship on purpose, because I in fact like the Chandley as well.

For example, the Chandley has those 12 saucer phasers like any other Fed ship, but that's it. It has two fore torp launchers and two aft torp launchers. But if you think about it, even the Miranda has more guns than that with its two cannons at the ends of the rollbars, in addition to everything else the Chandley has. Also, of course, the Enterprise itself has 18 phasers.

So, in that light, the FASA "frigates", which are actually very powerful ships, will fall somewhere UNDER the rank of a light cruiser when weapons alone are considered. This goes for the Northampton, Thufir, and Loknar as well. So perhaps they can, when everything is considered, be called some kind of "frigate", perhaps "heavy frigates"? Basically ships with lighter armament than a light cruiser but can mass pretty high, possibly even up to a light cruiseer or heavy cruiser mass range. It works out even better if you make the entry dates for these FASA "heavy frigates" really late, like after 2290, because by that time their armament is so light, especially when compared to an Excelsior, that they really could be "frigates", especially the smaller-massed ships like the Thufir, Loknar, and Northampton as well. Chandley is still a big-ass ship, but it's armament would not really exceed that of say a Knox-class frigate from "Ships of the Starfleet", which has 12 saucer phasers and two phaser cannons that shoot fore/aft.

So I say those FASA frigates are indeed frigates, but maybe the Chandley and Northampton should be classified as "heavy frigates". What d'ya think of that?

I never thought of it that way Atrahasis.

I could live with the Chandley and its peers as Light cruisers with BASE FASA to SFC specs.

What about refit options? There is no reason to suppose that later Chandley refits took note of the lack of weaponry and added additional Ph1s to the saucer and or the dorsal and ventral wing structures thereby bringing them on par with Heavy Cruisers. We are not talking about creating a new superbattleship here, just a heavy cruiser with the same phaser loadouts as the Enterprise Class FCA. Sounds like a simple retexture job to me. Heck, Pataflafla's Northampton retexture appears better armed than the Chandley right now, LOL.

If memory serves, Ships of The Starfleet books were just coming out sometime AFTER FASA Trek began. I believe, if FASA Trek were made today or even after ST: The Undiscovered Country, I'm sure the Chandley and other Federation ships would have a more ferocious loadout and include some type of anti-missile defense and the Klingons (D-10 and L-24 especially) WOULD be equipped with a cloaking device. I like FASA Trek a lot, the RPG was a blast, but it, like most Trek based games (E. g., Klingon Academy: Tholian Ships; No boarding actions allowed!) has its flaws and inconsistancies and I'm not hell bent on hyper-accuracy, I play for the fun of having a variety of TMP ships from a variety of sources. I do value SFC GAME BALANCE though and I don't see the FASA ship line as the end-all-and-be-all of the my personal Ammalgamated Trek universe. Besides, I'd like to see an X-tech FASA ships too. A Chandley with Heavy Torpedoes an Phaser X's, and FASA cloaking and Torpedo/disruptor armed Klingons, and X-tech armed Romulans would be really cool! LOL.

I look forward to playing with whatever BALANCED FASA to SFC shiplist you come up with.

Qapla!

KF

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2003, 10:19:07 am »

well, I disagree with them being X-ships....

Still we must remember, FASA is not SFB.... different time line completely.

There was no ISC 'war of pacification' nor an Andromedan Invasion in FASA's time line.

No Miraks or Lyrans or Hydrans either.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:09:15 am »

Recently I've been wondering about the SFB dating system. They give them in terms of Y150 or such...what is the base year supposed to be?

As for Bearslayer's comment about the weapons loadout of a Miranda, I go by the visual evidence and inlude the 12 phasers on the saucer, the 2 cannons at the rollbars, and the four torp launchers.

FireSoul · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:20:28 am »

SFB doesn't explain the system, but SFC uses 2263 = Y163.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:45:17 am »

I just surfed and found out the base year for SFB is thought by some to be 2110 because that puts the 2280's as the time when the Organians "disappeared" to allow the General War to happen. SFC seems to use an even 2100 as the base year. It looks like there is a discrepancy by at least a decade, but if you go by base year = 2110 then the X-ships appear in the year 2295, which means after ST VI which suits me better. I don't think I can live with X-ships appearing in 2285, that's much too soon. That's like the middle-late era in SFC!

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2003, 10:10:10 am »

Atrahasis does this mean you?ll have to tweak the FASA dates to make it possible for the BASE, bare bones FASA Ship specs to appear before the Advanced Era?

If so, that would be so cool to have upgrades and refits too. It would be cool to see the late TOS Loknar get replaced by the TMP Loknar that gets refitted via the USS Phobos and then, later gets upgraded with SOME X-tech.

Regarding the Chandley and Northampton, you can call them ?Heavy Frigates? or whatever you want. All I am looking for is that the power, defensive capabilities and armament [minus the additional marines of course] be upgraded over time to Heavy Cruiser level, say with a TOP loadout equal to a Heavy GSCX. What do I mean by a Heavy GSCX? Take Firesoul?s version GSCX move one set of the torpedo loadouts to the rear arcs and add the appropriate number of marines. Again I?m not talking about making new battleships or an X-era bombardment cruiser, although a heavy torpedo [no additional launchers or arcs though] armed fire support variant would be cool too.

The Klingons, well we won?t be undersold! With every Chandley upgrade we?ll through your choice of either a Cloaking D-10 or L-24. But wait there?s more for an additional 50 mega credits we?ll throw in the X-tech options package that?s, phaser Xs, disruptors and two heavy torpedos. Supplies are limited and subject to availability as well as the needs of the Klingon-Romulan technology exchange?

LOL

Best wishes

KF

Atrahasis · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2003, 06:31:25 am »

Also, I might poiint out that in Trekdom the 6 decades following the the year 2300 are rather unknown and bare. It simply has not been sufficiently explained or filled out by/with ships. FASA ships would fit there nicely!

anduril · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2003, 08:13:42 am »

I like that idea A.

anduril · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2003, 08:28:06 pm »

Any chance of an image of that TOS Locknar getting posted here.....???

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