Topic: OP+ Corrections Thread: as of version 3.0 (Read 97847 times)

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #500 on:** August 27, 2003, 01:29:23 pm »

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Why not, indeed...

So..regarding the KFF being replicated to suffice for the HF5s...
You don't recall and don't care or you'll look into it?

Ah. That. I have found models for the HF5 since 3.0. I don't need to do anything, since it kinda has been fixed already.

Perhaps you have missed my point.

i'm talking about those of us who do not download the "model pack" version and are having the KFF directory replicated for the HF5s when clearly the model being used for the other F5s (KDD) is more appropriate.

I hope this clarifies things sufficiently. Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #502 on:** August 27, 2003, 03:02:28 pm »

Thanks. I've already done so. It's good to hear the replication issue will be addressed.

In regards to the HF5 models you have found, can you give a little more detail as to what they are...and perhaps where they might be seen? I'm currently using P81's K'Vort model for the KDD model (pertaining to the F5s, FWs, F6 and the HF5s). I wouldn't mind making a distinction between F5s/FWs/F6 and the HF5s. I just haven't come across a suitable model. I find very few of the Klingon models out there to be to my liking...heheh.

FireSoul · « **Reply #503 on:** August 27, 2003, 03:22:28 pm »

NOTE: I already made my choices, and I don't think I will be changing my mind. I'm posting my choices here to make Dog happy.

In next release:

KDD (stock): F5, F5W, etc.

Romulanized F5, RK5R: For R-K5R, and variants:

Pirate F5 (Korgath):

KF6: K-F6

RKFR: Romulanized K-F5: R-KFR

KHF5: Klingon HF5s and variants

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #504 on:** August 27, 2003, 04:12:19 pm »

Thanks!

It's always good to see what I'm "missing" and to see if there's anything out there that's better (to me) than what I'm using.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #506 on:** August 27, 2003, 04:35:15 pm »

Well, as you can tell by my choices of P81's B'Rel for the KFF and his K'Vort for the KDD, you and I differ on the fundamental direction the model selections should go.

I like the different skins. I like the "Romulan-ized" versions of the Klingon models. I like the F6 model, to a degree. I would consider using that one. The model fo the HF5 looks decent...I'd probably like to get a better view of it using "modview." It's something I'd consider using for that Klingon HDW model.

For my part, if I had my druthers, I'd like to see P81's B'Rel and K'Vort useds and "Romulan-ized" or "Korgath-ized" versions of those done. His B'Rel and K'Vort are just top-notch in terms of detail, and overall look. I really haven't used anything else for about as long as either of those models have been available.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #508 on:** August 27, 2003, 05:53:05 pm »

Possibly.

Since the SFB background (which I also have) isn't necessarily always applicable to SFC, it's hard (at least for me) to say whether or not it should be the final arbiter of what "looks good" in a game that is based upon SFB, but is not itself SFB.

As always...models are a matter of taste. They are there to add visual appeal to the game. Within reason, I'm personally quite comfortable leaving behind "SFB" considerations in favor of what looks best to me. This is why I am very happy to use Atrahasis' C5 model for all my KDN needs and skip the rest of the, IMHO, ugly KDN models out there. In terms of Klingon models...if it's not done by Atrahasis, P81 or Gow, I'm generally not interested based upon what I've seen in my 2 1/2+ years as a consumer of the SFC2 product line. I was there, like many, ast the start of SFC1, but never bothered with changing models for that game.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

As i've mentioned before, the only reason I don't use your model pack is that I don't like many of the models you've chosen. That's why I'm very happy that you have a "no model pack" version that replicates what I already have in place and allows me to pick and choose other models I might wish to use given the expanded model pointers. My main interest, then, is to seek out corrections and additions based upon what I see is needed. Hence my original query about the KFF model being replicated by your installer to serve as the model fo the HF5s when you're using the KDD model for other F5s.

Rogue · « **Reply #509 on:** August 28, 2003, 12:23:47 pm »

Gosh I love this stuff.

It is a lost cause to find a happy place for choices in models for FireSoul's refit project. I'd like to see a UN conference like meeting negotiating the standardization for the models that will be used. Just picture that for entertainment value. "Are you nuts? Atra's C5 is too good not to use. And I don't care if it does fly in the face of SFB lore. So, nya."

Speaking as one who has gone through the shplst three times trying to find the perfect model for every spec I can tell you it can't be done... yet. FireSoul's op+ refit has given a lot of momentum for producing a number of models that didn't exist before. Which makes me very happy.

The Mirak MTT he kitbashed is just wonderful. As are the tugs Emeraldedge put together. But, there are a number of considerations competing for those choices and compromizes must be made. One of the ones I made was to use the Maguellanes for the Fed HDW class. It isn't accurate but I like the model so much I had to find a place for it. I also chose Anduril's Phoenix for the GSC because it's that good and it fits well. And so on and so forth...

I have really enjoyed trying to help FireSoul with a model here and there. More often than not he didn't go for what I thought was a good choice for a particular model. He has different ideas and criteria which I respect. In the mean time I'm just going to enjoy his product and see just how much fun we can make this game. Thank's FS for all the work that has gone into this. I like it just fine and it is an easy thing to make a change here and a change there.

Happy hunting

FireSoul · « **Reply #510 on:** August 28, 2003, 12:28:34 pm »

I think that summed a lot of the problems: I can't make everyone happy.

However, I sure can make things a lot better, and give people the ability to make themselves happy.

Pestalence · « **Reply #512 on:** August 30, 2003, 03:53:37 am »

Minor error Firesoul...

Found is shipnames.txt the hull registry for the Constellation to be incorrect...

the correct hull registry number as seen in "Doomsday Machine" is NCC-1017

like I said, minor.. the registry you have is from the Starfleet Technical Manual based off TOS. Hull registries in it are incorrect. SFB may have used it as a source material for reference.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #513 on:** August 30, 2003, 07:28:04 am »

Hello Firesoul
Thank you for the op+mod its great fun playing it with the custom missions. Have you considered adding the ADB's
Old Carrier Fcvo the flat top to your shiplist. An ssd was presented in the Stellar Shadows Journal. Keep up the great work
I'm enjoying seeing the tugs that you've been creating its adding great variety to the game.

Drakenred · « **Reply #514 on:** August 30, 2003, 12:42:34 pm »

So was the B-29

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/playtest/B29.pdf

Warp mounted aliance heavy weapons

(for example a proposed NCL for your consideration)

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/r2_9z1.gif

or

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/r2_9z6.gif

the ever popular (R6.J4) GORN GIGANOTOSAURUS DREADNOUGHT (DNR)

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R6_j4_dnr.gif

And one that I would love to see in the Fed list,

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

16 Phaser Gs, Now THAT is what I call a Mauler!

Oh and lets not forget the D-77

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R3_j5_d77.gif

Drakenred · « **Reply #516 on:** August 30, 2003, 02:29:14 pm »

ok now lets stop and think about this for a second,

you want him to add all of the"Oficial" C/J (Conjectural/Joke)ships?

that means that your going to see

the Fed Pol with the firepower of 10 Gatings

The Hydran "Duke John Wayne " Super heavy crusier armed with Gatling Hellbores(No I am not kidding, 4 shot single turn reload Helboars and the power to arm them) Gatling fusion beams, and Gatling P-1s

Fed Cruisers that retain the Photon fire arcs but add Addtional Drone racks = their photon (IE a NCL will get 4 more Drone racks, the CC gets 4 more Drone racks, the BCJ gets 6 more Drone racks and so forth) and double drone tracking acrost the fleet

Self propeled Battlesations

Miriak Triple space Magnum Drones(yes, you can do it with the code!)

the "Miriak" CaDG?( a Cruiser(1.0 move cost) with DN Warp, Drone Phaser and Disrupter armament and 12 PFs

And all to get the D77

WOOOT! GO MON GO!

Drakenred · « **Reply #517 on:** August 30, 2003, 02:47:33 pm »

Oh! I almost forgot the Phaser M Mounts for Fed ships! (thoes were basicaly P-4 with a range limmit of 75 and also had more power and batteries

FireSoul · « **Reply #518 on:** August 30, 2003, 03:06:54 pm »

I'm not entering anything that hasn't been published in a SFB module. (Exception: a few xships)

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #519 on:** August 30, 2003, 05:48:59 pm »

Hi Firesoul
Thats too bad but I respect your decision. The F-CVO as its now called was an offical design before ADB decided change the CVA design to a dreadnought variant. So they could convert dreadnoughts into CVA's in Federation and Empire. The miniature has been the most popular SFB miniature and has been a consistant top seller for ADB not to mention the kitbashing potential of said miniature to make a nice SCS and other carrier versions. I even have a copy of the first edition ssd with the old photon freezer box that would supply the fighters with thier torps around near my desk. It was a neat CVA and playing with the miniature was just as much fun. I lost most of my first edition SFB material lent it to a person and never got it back. Good thing I nixed the idea of lending him my miniature collection or that would have went also. Well have a great labour day weekend and thanks again for all the fun matieral that you've put together.

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