Topic: OP+ Corrections Thread: as of version 3.0

[dderidex]

Well, if you want to use my L9 re-skin and my Fed DD model, you are welcome to them:




There is a re-skin of the F5 for the Romulan Empire (in the other thread - has blue feathers), and a tri-nacelle version of each F5 for the F6/KFR.

[dderidex]

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Firesoul, if there are any models in  here  that you like, I can get you the model. Permissions are another matter...

Whoah - where did you get that improved Ark Royal (Fed CV)?  I couldn't fine one, and that looks *fine*!

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, have you looked at the models in the D2 model pack by P81 and Athrahasis?

if not, then you can DL the pack here at :

http://www.nightsoftware.com/effhq/scr2.html

at the bottom of the page... these ships i think are FASA and i have both a High res pack and Low Res pack.. contains Roms, Fed, and Klink ships...

 Thanks

PS.... for some reason to me, it seems that the models you added only show up in Heavy Cruiser selections for each race... I may be wrong, but that is how it seems to me... Is there separation based upon hull Size? I mean a XFG should be in the Friggits (which it is.. but using as an example) and not heavy cruisers... I might be wrong on this and have just set it up wrongly... I'll check again later....

The there of this mod is SFB accuracy, without sacrificing Taldren's style. In other words, if the Taldren model does the job, then I don't replace it. Of course, there are some exceptions:

1- The Taldren D5s are plain ugly, IMHO. Some people have complained about the D5s I am now using, but the problems aren't anything I can't fix.

2- I never understood why the old-style models were never used by Taldren, onolder ships. That's why I made sure I have older models for some Federation ships, and matching updated (TMP) versions which are more in Taldren's style.
ie: FECA, FEDD, FEFF, FTG  -->  FCA, FDD, FFF, FTG+(I guess I should make those FETG and FTG)

3- Some of the Taldren models weren't "cool" enough.. Like the Gorn replacements.. or some individual ships I might've replaced.


Another function of the mod is to indeed separate the ship classes, in case people (such as some of you) want to put in their own models. Heck, why don't you put together your own modelpacks for use with this project?

[FireSoul]

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On the MegaHawk, I don't have R7 (Metro Detroit, and I can't find a shop that carries SFB anymore ) so i don't know what material ADB gave to work with, but what I do know is that it's a DN hull that takes 4 SparrowHawk modules. I envisioned 3 basic variants; MHK-KK (LL would be better but would Command put that much Mojo in one hull?), MHK-EK (a PFT/combat platform), & MHK-MK (for use vs Hydrans & Mirak). JK, EM, EJ, KF,JM, FF, JJ .... variants might be interesting, but without guidelines from ADB to work from, I don't see how we could accurately calculate a BPV for a ship this far from the base version, and while they might make good fleet elements, would they be both practical for use in SFC and something that the Empire would really produce?  

It's actually 2 SkyHawk and 2 SparrowHawk modules.. and the ship description says no F (mauler) or J (PlaS) modules.
That leaves: EK, MK, .. I am not fully familiar with the other modules config. I'll have to think about it.

PS. There seems to be a lighter version of the Modular DN ( a DNL ) called a OmniHawk. That could use the same modules.
 

[FireSoul]

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Well, if you want to use my L9 re-skin and my Fed DD model, you are welcome to them:

Thank you. I downloaded it this morning, actually. I don't think I'll be using it since it changes the style a bit, but I like the idea.
Idea: Add a 3rd engine to the back of Taldren's F5 BoP to make a F6/KFR variant... what do you think? That would certainly match the style.

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, if there are any models in  here  that you like, I can get you the model. Permissions are another matter...

Whoah - where did you get that improved Ark Royal (Fed CV)?  I couldn't fine one, and that looks *fine*!  

 Here, I think.

[dderidex]

I was referring to Renegade's CVA http://mywebpages.comcast.net/renegade001//gallery/SCR00024.htm.  Looks like an improvement over the Taldren model (a little).

Anyway, few more suggestions from my little ship-mill here.

First, a D2 model for F-POL:


And a modified D2 model for the rest - chosen because it has all the right attributes for the Fed FF - two warp engines, small, and can be easily modified into the DW and HDW hulls.  (This is the FASA 'Baker'-class, btw)





   

[FireSoul]

The F-POL is TNG.

.. but I *do* like the HDW and will have to compare mine with it. Where can I download it from?
-- Luc

[dderidex]

EDIT: Uploading now, it'll be done in a moment.  Link here.  I will upload another one tomorrow - but this one is mostly correct.  I need to tweak the break models some, and I'd like to move the hardpoints around some.  These will certainly work fine, though, and should look in-game exactly as the 'finished' ones will.

And that F-POL is not TNG - it's the 'Grissom' model, seen in 'Star Trek III'.  In fact, it was seen first on screen before the Excelsior was.

[Corbomite]

The R-KWR is using the Snipe frigate model, the KR UI, is in the Light Cruiser section and it is classified as a New Heavy Cruiser. That's one mixed up ship. This is in the DL without models.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I dont see the D5W listed in any of the ship libraries or skirmish/Co-op ace selection screens....I see it in the shiplist though.....

!?!

I'll check it out again...  

Oh yeah...No model DL....

[FireSoul]

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The R-KWR is using the Snipe frigate model, the KR UI, is in the Light Cruiser section and it is classified as a New Heavy Cruiser. That's one mixed up ship. This is in the DL without models.  

Confirmed. I just updated the download since it doesn't affect or break anything.
This affects the no-models installer only.

How to fix yourself, if you don't want to redownload/reinstall:
Copy the contents of Assets/Models/KCL to opplus/models/RD5W and opplus/models/RD5
Rename the .mod files within these destination directories to "rd5w.mod", "rd5w_brk.mod" and "rd5.mod", "rd5_brk.mod"


OR..

Redownload/Reinstall.

-- Luc

[FireSoul]

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I dont see the D5W listed in any of the ship libraries or skirmish/Co-op ace selection screens....I see it in the shiplist though.....

!?!

I'll check it out again...  
Oh yeah...No model DL....

Look under heavy cruisers. It's a "New Heavy Cruiser", after all.

[Mr. Hypergol]

F-PV and F-PV+ have wrong model links.  Shiplist linking to FPC.MOD but there is no model folder called that.   No model shows up when playing game.  

[FireSoul]

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F-PV and F-PV+ have wrong model links.  Shiplist linking to FPC.MOD but there is no model folder called that.   No model shows up when playing game.  

Oh. Aiie. Ok.
I'll update the installer(s), it will not be in "model.siz" just yet. That way the game will remain compatible to all.

One can also put in some model in there temporarily. It was supposed to be another copy of the FPOL/FPOL+ directory.

-- Luc


Edit: Temporary fix now included in updated installer, if that's easier for you. No changes done to 5 primary files (those that are checked for differences between hosts) so this is the same shiplist version.

[SPQR Renegade001]

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Whoah - where did you get that improved Ark Royal (Fed CV)?  I couldn't fine one, and that looks *fine*!  

That Fed CVA is by Gow aka Jrstandfast. Most of his models can be had at StarFleet Universe, but it looks like that ones not there. If you have issues finding it, drop me a line.  

[Mr. Hypergol]

I linked the F-PV to the F-POL+ model manually.  Is there actually a police carrier model?

Few questions:

1)  Did you mean to link the F-FFT, F-CFF, and F-CFF+ to the taldren frigate model?

These next two are preference-type questions:

2)  I think the F-DN should be an old Federation Class model, and the F-DN+ on down should be the USS Star League version.  This is the type of pattern you followed with the F-CA, F-DD, etc. ship classes.  I can understand the F-BB still linking to Taldren model since it was conjectural and would have been in TMP era style.

3)  The F-CVL is a F-GSC, why not link it to the Taldren F-CA model?  I think the carrier model you have is cool looking, but it is kinda too different from a F-GSC look......ya know what I'm sayin'.  I kinda feel the same way about the F-CVS which is derived from the F-CA also.  Again this is just preference and I can always change it myself....so no biggie.

I do like most of your reasoning in Fed model selection so far.  I like what you did with the F-NCL class and making the F-NCM the actual Miranda class with the torp bar added.  That made it a nice match for Kirk and his F-CA+ in the Wrath of Khan movie.  I also think the Soyuz class works well as an NCA.

Excellent shiplist.....now on to "scrutinizing" the klingons.    

[FireSoul]

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I linked the F-PV to the F-POL+ model manually.  Is there actually a police carrier model?

Few questions:

1)  Did you mean to link the F-FFT, F-CFF, and F-CFF+ to the taldren frigate model?

Uh.. no. It's supposed to be different. Oh well, next version.. which will be a while.

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These next two are preference-type questions:

2)  I think the F-DN should be an old Federation Class model, and the F-DN+ on down should be the USS Star League version.  This is the type of pattern you followed with the F-CA, F-DD, etc. ship classes.  I can understand the F-BB still linking to Taldren model since it was conjectural and would have been in TMP era style.

Histerical Raisins.. uhh.. Historical Reasons. In SFB, the F-DN gets upgraded to a DN+ and later to the DNG. Do you have a triple-warp TMP-style FDN? I didn't see any. Same thing for the BB. Do you have a 4-warp FBB in both the TOS and TMP styles? (I think there's a TOS-style on FleetDock 13)

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3)  The F-CVL is a F-GSC, why not link it to the Taldren F-CA model?  I think the carrier model you have is cool looking, but it is kinda too different from a F-GSC look......ya know what I'm sayin'.  I kinda feel the same way about the F-CVS which is derived from the F-CA also.  Again this is just preference and I can always change it myself....so no biggie.

Ah.. well.. to tell you the truth it was just because it looked cool. It still looks kinda like a CA too, but you're right that it can be switched back through some copying.

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I do like most of your reasoning in Fed model selection so far.  I like what you did with the F-NCL class and making the F-NCM the actual Miranda class with the torp bar added.  That made it a nice match for Kirk and his F-CA+ in the Wrath of Khan movie.  I also think the Soyuz class works well as an NCA.

Agreed.  


-- Luc

 

[dderidex]

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Do you have a triple-warp TMP-style FDN?

What, like this?



(This, btw, is from my old shiplist whereby I added an X-DN with a pair of 'Heavy Photon' launchers - in blue)  

[FireSoul]

That would make a perfect TMP FDN. I'll see if I already have it or not.

ie: here's the TOS FDN I'm looking at. According to the Fed DN+ description, its refit was "so extensive that it is listed as a separate class." So These 2 models would indeed do the trick.