Topic: OP+ Corrections Thread: as of version 3.0 (Read 97854 times)

Drakenred · « **Reply #200 on:** August 30, 2003, 02:47:33 pm »

Oh! I almost forgot the Phaser M Mounts for Fed ships! (thoes were basicaly P-4 with a range limmit of 75 and also had more power and batteries

FireSoul · « **Reply #201 on:** August 30, 2003, 03:06:54 pm »

I'm not entering anything that hasn't been published in a SFB module. (Exception: a few xships)

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #202 on:** August 30, 2003, 05:48:59 pm »

Hi Firesoul
Thats too bad but I respect your decision. The F-CVO as its now called was an offical design before ADB decided change the CVA design to a dreadnought variant. So they could convert dreadnoughts into CVA's in Federation and Empire. The miniature has been the most popular SFB miniature and has been a consistant top seller for ADB not to mention the kitbashing potential of said miniature to make a nice SCS and other carrier versions. I even have a copy of the first edition ssd with the old photon freezer box that would supply the fighters with thier torps around near my desk. It was a neat CVA and playing with the miniature was just as much fun. I lost most of my first edition SFB material lent it to a person and never got it back. Good thing I nixed the idea of lending him my miniature collection or that would have went also. Well have a great labour day weekend and thanks again for all the fun matieral that you've put together.

Drakenred · « **Reply #203 on:** August 30, 2003, 09:47:51 pm »

Actualy, the folowing ships were techicaly built in the SFB Universe

Romulan
(R4.933) BATTLE EAGLE MEDIUM CARRIER (BEV): ( Quite posibly the worst carrier in the game)

(R4.934) BATTLEHAWK-B DESTROYER LEADER (BHB): Esentualy a conversion of the battlehawks that aparently were converted because they were hevily wrecked

(R4.J5) ROMULAN DOUBLE-HAWK (DBH):Only one produced, a ship that was basiclay only good as a convoy escort if it didnot try to manuver. Granted, Seeing it come out from under cloak the first time when you were chasing it probably was a unplesant surprise to most Fed captains http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R4_j5_dbh.gif KING

FALCON HEAVY MAULER (HFA):Basicaly a king Eagle Refit of the Falcon Mauler, A ship subject to the shock rules whenever you fire both the Mauler and the Plasma torps you can recharge either the mauler or the plasma -F-torps.

(R9.936) SCREECH OWL HEAVY SCOUT (HSC): it was a partial "King eagle" refit of the Scout eagle. aparently only one built

(R.937) SNIPE-C BATTLE FRIGATE LEADER (SNC): Only one built,

Freighter Ducktails (Added shuttel and/or transporter) and skids ((you can add on "skid" per "cargo pod" on a freighter, the skids come in two flavors, one added 1*P2+ +1 APR + 1 Battery + 1 Transpoter + 1 Lab + 1 tractor the other Adds 1 P2 one APR 1 Heavy ((IE 2 space)shuttle bay and a HTT and three transporter,(the faster to offload cargo suposedly) are oficial, as was the "overloaded" Small and medium freighters (basicaly more cargo for padding, but slower due to the added weght and were suposedly only used for insystem runs) and "in balast" freighter, (Freightrs with out Cargo pods, faster, but fewer interals due to the lack of cargo pods) (note you cant jetison the cargo pod in a "senario" as the manuvers to undock-drop pods and redocking and intitialising interlocks and stabelising hull integrity feilds and reseting the warp coils aparently took too mutch time. Aparently Freighers were never around when Cloaking Romulans had to fight cloaking Orion Pirates armed with Plasma torpedoes.

Klingon

(R3.J6) KLINGON DV7 HEAVY CARRIER (DV7): was probagly not built and even if built never saw service
http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R3_j6_dv7.gif

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #204 on:** August 31, 2003, 05:19:32 am »

Quote:

I'm not entering anything that hasn't been published in a SFB module. (Exception: a few xships)

Hi Firesoul
Does this mean that we might see Early Years ships

The Old Carrier Rocks

Take Care and be well

FireSoul · « **Reply #205 on:** August 31, 2003, 12:16:54 pm »

I've been thinking about it.. .. but some of the old tech can't be done, and YLAs would need to be decided on. It's not in the works, but maybe one day I can try to enter some of these ships into early era.

FireSoul · « **Reply #206 on:** August 31, 2003, 03:17:12 pm »

L-NMC, whom I did not enter myself (don't blame me.

) is incorrect. It has 8 ph1s and 2 ph3s. It's supposed to have 4 ph1s and 2 ph3s. I guess the weapons were copied from the L-NCA.

It will be corrected in the next release.

FireSoul · « **Reply #207 on:** September 05, 2003, 04:54:42 am »

With the introduction of I-CVF and I-CSF (which have 12 fighters, 8 in SFC), which have the 2/3rds fighters rule, the I-CVL, CVLZ, CVLP, CVLS will be corrected to 6 in SFC. They will recieve the appropriate BPV adjustment.
If that wasn't done, the above ships are Sooooo similar, it's stupid.

Also, With the introduction of the I-CVD, the I-CV (and refit variants) will also be corrected back down to OP+ standards. (12 -> 8).

To the ISC who are trying to protect their greener grass:
I am being impartial. Your fighters are NOT inferior to other races'. Also, these changes make utter sence since GSA will mostly remain untouched, while D2 play will be more balanced, especially in the area of technology breakthroughs.

-- Luc

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #208 on:** September 05, 2003, 11:40:34 am »

As always....you're welcome to do as you like to your list. I don't really see too much support for keeping these changes when your list is ported for D2 use, though.

ISC fighters are rather inferior until 2278, IMHO. The Tort-III (available in 2274, I think) is the first decent fighter they receive and even it isn't that great.

There's never been any movement afoot to adjust ISC fighter numbers, I don't feel it's warranted, but again..it's your list. Do as you like.

FireSoul · « **Reply #212 on:** September 05, 2003, 01:51:47 pm »

yeah.. well.

*I*'m bitter.. and trying not to be.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #213 on:** September 05, 2003, 02:21:30 pm »

C'mon Firesoul, release this already. I applaud your HEROIC efforts to distill 20+ years of game rules into a standardized shiplist. You knew going into this folks would have a difference of opinion BUT we needed a GOOD, standardized place to start. I never played SFB so I'm no rules lawyer in this arena to be sure but I do know that your shiplist is a lot of FUN to play. So lets get this thing out the door!

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #215 on:** September 05, 2003, 04:18:35 pm »

I look forward to this testing...it should be fun!

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #217 on:** September 05, 2003, 05:28:00 pm »

Because, frankly, taldren doesn't even bother to consistenly follow their own rules. Not only that, the shiplist they have is full of errors.

Quick check of ISC carriers, first number fighters it carries in SFB, second number number of fighters in SFC:

CV, CVZ: 12, 12
CVA,CVAZ : 24, 16
CVE, CVEZ: 8, 4
CVL, CVLP, CVLS, CVLZ: 9, 8
CVS, CVSZ: 12, 8

As can be seen here, the fighter numbers using taldren's own rule of thumb for the CV (and variants) and the CVL (and variants) is too high.

As for ISC fighters having problems, it's not Firesoul's fault that taldren inexplicably decided that ISC fighters should not carry the plasma torpedoes that they carry in SFB. Send complaints on this to the game designers, as he has no control over that.

FireSoul · « **Reply #219 on:** September 05, 2003, 11:31:48 pm »

Guys.. Guys.. I know what I'm doing.

-- Luc

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