Topic: Enough Taldren-bashing already! (Read 5466 times)

SirWilliam · « **on:** February 03, 2003, 04:42:04 pm »

Though I am new to this Forum, I am not new to SFC, having been a MP player since Starfleet Command I. So I don't think I'm entirely unqualified to comment on this issue. Here goes:

It should be clear to any rational person that responsibility for the Holy Patch has passed from the hands of Taldren (who keep in mind are the only reason we have continuing SFC games to begin with, not to mention this forum) to those of Activision.

I don't agree with those who say we should shut up and wait for the patch, but I do think that Activision should be the recipients of our complaints about the product for which ACTIVISION is financially and legally responsible.

I am going to attempt to post up the URL from Toasty's earlier post (read it if you haven't already) here:

http://gaming.startrek.com/cgi-bin/WebX

(If anyone else has a better URL please post it on this thread)

Please go there and complain. If we're going to take the effort to let them know of our displeasure with their product, we should take the time to complain to the right people.

Activision financed, marketed, and released this product according to their own agenda. They bear ulitmate responsibility for its flaws and the potential fixes for them.

Sir William

aka Alex DeLarge

aka Drunken Master

"I have fought under many names, in many guises, but always Me."

Thanos1 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:48:46 pm »

Went there, saw the forums...
NOT pretty

(in several aspects)

-suleo

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:52:20 pm »

The proceeding message was a paid announcment by Taldren, Inc.

Lol, sorry, but you are laying it on kinda thick. When those of us complained to Dan Hagerty of Activision, THE person at Activision responsible for Acti/Taldren interaction and SFC3, he refers us to TALDREN.

As someone who has been playing SFCX MP since SFC I, you know as well as everyone else on these boards who have been around since SFC I that this is the NORM for a Taldren release.

BUGGY.
LONG WAIT FOR PATCHES.
TERRIBLE MP PERFORMANCE.

I havent bitched or even posted about SFC3 or any other Taldren product's patch status (going on 1.5 YEARS waiting for OP patch....) but your post was a bit much.

I have given up on the D3 until the patch comes out, with no anger or venom aimed at Taldren, its par for the course with ANYTHING these people have worked on TO DATE, so I am quite used to it.

Never fear, by the time SFC4 is ready, they will have at least one patch out for 3!

Have a nice day!

SirWilliam · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2003, 05:04:15 pm »

Quote:

The proceeding message was a paid announcment by Taldren, Inc.

Lol, sorry, but you are laying it on kinda thick. When those of us complained to Dan Hagerty of Activision, THE person at Activision responsible for Acti/Taldren interaction and SFC3, he refers us to TALDREN.

As someone who has been playing SFCX MP since SFC I, you know as well as everyone else on these boards who have been around since SFC I that this is the NORM for a Taldren release.

BUGGY.
LONG WAIT FOR PATCHES.
TERRIBLE MP PERFORMANCE.

I havent bitched or even posted about SFC3 or any other Taldren product's patch status (going on 1.5 YEARS waiting for OP patch....) but your post was a bit much.

I have given up on the D3 until the patch comes out, with no anger or venom aimed at Taldren, its par for the course with ANYTHING these people have worked on TO DATE, so I am quite used to it.

Never fear, by the time SFC4 is ready, they will have at least one patch out for 3!

Have a nice day!

I am basing my post on the assumption that Taldren did actually turn the patch over to Activision 3 weeks ago and that Activision is sitting on it. I am as frustrated as anyone else with this I assure you.

That said, if it turns out that I have been deceived by the statements of the most senior non-Taldren people on this forum, and this really all is Taldren's fault, I will publicly renounce my defense of Taldren, rest assured.

As to your statement that this is the norm for a Taldren release, yes it is normal to expect multiple patches for correct performance but that is the case for the vast majority of PC games I have purchased (Blizzard is a notable exception.) Maybe I am weakening my own argument but I will say that I don't recall the previous releases being this awfully bugged from the getgo and without a patch for so long.

Keep in mind that the developers were forced to get this game out in time for the release of "Nemesis," there was even a movie ticket in the box. There's no doubt in my mind that Taldren would not have released the game as it was released if they hadn't have had to.

TheSatyr · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:02:27 pm »

The patch was turned over to activision...the ball is in their court.

Belchfire · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:40:45 pm »

Having only played OP prior to this game my familiarity with the Taldren line of games is to say the least shaky. Bugs existed in OP and bugs exist in this one. Being an avid gamer of many genres and publishers, the loading of patches is as common as that of the game itself. Loading a patch as soon as the game is loaded is the norm these days. So where is the SFC3 patch? I would have expected at least a PARTIAL patch to fix the most glaring problems. From what I gather beta testers say it was released and Activision reps say Taldren is the missing link. Who do we believe?

For those unaware of what constitutes game releases, the publisher(Activision in this case) has carte blanche over the designer(Taldren). Designer presents an idea, time frame, and cost prospective to the publisher. After that it is yes or no on the project. One has to be suspicious of both parties in this case. Promotional considerations are part of the publisher's job and to receive a movie ticket with the game has to make you think. True the publisher has to listen to the designer's needs and requests, but then who pays the bills? Activision undoubtedly is looking to reap as much money as possible and the best time for release is when Star Trek is at the forefront. What better time than when a movie is released? Is there any collusion between Activion, Taldren, and Paramount? Hard to say, any guess would be conjecture. Assume that some foreknowlege existed of a possible movie release date, and that either Activision or Taldren promoted the idea of releasing the game at this time. Then it comes down to this, did Taldren fall behind or did Activision rush them into it? Heresay seems to be all that I keep reading on this.

I look at the situation like this, who published and sold me the game? Activision. Being a previous publisher of Taldren products they were aware of what they could expect in the quality of the product. Activision is the one who received my money so I hold them responsible for the patch. Pointing a finger back at Taldren would be irresponsible. If I buy some product from a local retailer and I find it to be defective, I go and exchange that product or get a refund from where I bought it. Granted the retailer did not make the product but by selling it they are liable for resolving customer complaints or issues. But wait, gaming CD's seem to carry rhis annoying disclaimer from the seller that they will only exchange the CD for a like replacement and any other issue must be resolved with the publisher.

That settles it for me on who I complain to, and I already did directly some time ago. Needless to say, I never heard anything back from Activision.

Be Well,
Belch

Tulmahk · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:54:52 pm »

I totally agree! Taldren even tried to give us a beta patch, but Activision slapped their wrist and took it away.

I occaisionally poke fun at Taldren, but I consider them to be one of the finest game software companies in existance, and I love how they put together each and every incarnation of SFC (excepting Orion Pirates).

Taldren has my vote of confidance.

Belchfire · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2003, 08:40:17 pm »

Ok, but doesn't any company research before they invest major money? The publisher is still the one who holds ultimate responsibility since he gets my cash. Designer already got their money from the publisher. I guess there is a need for other game designers to enter this genre due to all the discontent

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2003, 09:59:04 pm »

Does anyone know an email address for Activision to which we can write directly without going through some forum they last updated in November?

SirWilliam · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:42:04 pm »

Though I am new to this Forum, I am not new to SFC, having been a MP player since Starfleet Command I. So I don't think I'm entirely unqualified to comment on this issue. Here goes:

It should be clear to any rational person that responsibility for the Holy Patch has passed from the hands of Taldren (who keep in mind are the only reason we have continuing SFC games to begin with, not to mention this forum) to those of Activision.

I don't agree with those who say we should shut up and wait for the patch, but I do think that Activision should be the recipients of our complaints about the product for which ACTIVISION is financially and legally responsible.

I am going to attempt to post up the URL from Toasty's earlier post (read it if you haven't already) here:

http://gaming.startrek.com/cgi-bin/WebX

(If anyone else has a better URL please post it on this thread)

Please go there and complain. If we're going to take the effort to let them know of our displeasure with their product, we should take the time to complain to the right people.

Activision financed, marketed, and released this product according to their own agenda. They bear ulitmate responsibility for its flaws and the potential fixes for them.

Sir William

aka Alex DeLarge

aka Drunken Master

"I have fought under many names, in many guises, but always Me."

Thanos1 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:48:46 pm »

Went there, saw the forums...
NOT pretty

(in several aspects)

-suleo

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:52:20 pm »

The proceeding message was a paid announcment by Taldren, Inc.

Lol, sorry, but you are laying it on kinda thick. When those of us complained to Dan Hagerty of Activision, THE person at Activision responsible for Acti/Taldren interaction and SFC3, he refers us to TALDREN.

As someone who has been playing SFCX MP since SFC I, you know as well as everyone else on these boards who have been around since SFC I that this is the NORM for a Taldren release.

BUGGY.
LONG WAIT FOR PATCHES.
TERRIBLE MP PERFORMANCE.

I havent bitched or even posted about SFC3 or any other Taldren product's patch status (going on 1.5 YEARS waiting for OP patch....) but your post was a bit much.

I have given up on the D3 until the patch comes out, with no anger or venom aimed at Taldren, its par for the course with ANYTHING these people have worked on TO DATE, so I am quite used to it.

Never fear, by the time SFC4 is ready, they will have at least one patch out for 3!

Have a nice day!

TheSatyr · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:02:27 pm »

The patch was turned over to activision...the ball is in their court.

Belchfire · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:40:45 pm »

Having only played OP prior to this game my familiarity with the Taldren line of games is to say the least shaky. Bugs existed in OP and bugs exist in this one. Being an avid gamer of many genres and publishers, the loading of patches is as common as that of the game itself. Loading a patch as soon as the game is loaded is the norm these days. So where is the SFC3 patch? I would have expected at least a PARTIAL patch to fix the most glaring problems. From what I gather beta testers say it was released and Activision reps say Taldren is the missing link. Who do we believe?

For those unaware of what constitutes game releases, the publisher(Activision in this case) has carte blanche over the designer(Taldren). Designer presents an idea, time frame, and cost prospective to the publisher. After that it is yes or no on the project. One has to be suspicious of both parties in this case. Promotional considerations are part of the publisher's job and to receive a movie ticket with the game has to make you think. True the publisher has to listen to the designer's needs and requests, but then who pays the bills? Activision undoubtedly is looking to reap as much money as possible and the best time for release is when Star Trek is at the forefront. What better time than when a movie is released? Is there any collusion between Activion, Taldren, and Paramount? Hard to say, any guess would be conjecture. Assume that some foreknowlege existed of a possible movie release date, and that either Activision or Taldren promoted the idea of releasing the game at this time. Then it comes down to this, did Taldren fall behind or did Activision rush them into it? Heresay seems to be all that I keep reading on this.

I look at the situation like this, who published and sold me the game? Activision. Being a previous publisher of Taldren products they were aware of what they could expect in the quality of the product. Activision is the one who received my money so I hold them responsible for the patch. Pointing a finger back at Taldren would be irresponsible. If I buy some product from a local retailer and I find it to be defective, I go and exchange that product or get a refund from where I bought it. Granted the retailer did not make the product but by selling it they are liable for resolving customer complaints or issues. But wait, gaming CD's seem to carry rhis annoying disclaimer from the seller that they will only exchange the CD for a like replacement and any other issue must be resolved with the publisher.

That settles it for me on who I complain to, and I already did directly some time ago. Needless to say, I never heard anything back from Activision.

Be Well,
Belch

Tulmahk · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:54:52 pm »

I totally agree! Taldren even tried to give us a beta patch, but Activision slapped their wrist and took it away.

I occaisionally poke fun at Taldren, but I consider them to be one of the finest game software companies in existance, and I love how they put together each and every incarnation of SFC (excepting Orion Pirates).

Taldren has my vote of confidance.

Belchfire · « **Reply #24 on:** February 03, 2003, 08:40:17 pm »

Ok, but doesn't any company research before they invest major money? The publisher is still the one who holds ultimate responsibility since he gets my cash. Designer already got their money from the publisher. I guess there is a need for other game designers to enter this genre due to all the discontent

Belch

SirWilliam · « **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2003, 09:59:04 pm »

Does anyone know an email address for Activision to which we can write directly without going through some forum they last updated in November?

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