Topic: Too many PPD damage volleys per DAC cycle (Read 5581 times)

FireSoul · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:52:59 pm »

That's it. You got it.

Fahrenheit · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:59:02 pm »

Right;

A single pulse by a single PPD will create only one volley.

In SFB, this may be a volley of 5 (1+3+1), but you'd resolve the 3, then one of the 1's, then the other 1.

This is due to them coming in from different shields, and possibly being able to damage different phasers as a result.

e.g. You hit a Hydran cruiser with down shields. This ship has 2xFA+L Ph-2's, 2xFA+R Ph-2's, and a LS and RS Gat. on You hit his #3 shield - so he takes 3 in the #3, 1 in the #2, and 1 in the #4.

You resolve the 3 through the #3 first. The FA+R phasers and the RS gat can be killed here.

Then you resolve either the lone internal through the #2 or #4 (I _think_ it's owner choice, but it may be random which one is taken first - doesn't matter). Let's say we do the #2 next.

If a phaser is hit, it can be scored on the FA+L, FA+R or the RS gat.

Then you resolve the lone internal through the #4. Only the RS gat and LS gat can be scored on a phaser hit.

But even though you (in SFB) have to concern yourself with the ORDER that you take the internals, they're all considered the same volley.

Max_iCOP · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2003, 08:56:47 am »

Wait a sec .... that's not how I remember it. But it has been a while since I played SFB.

We (my SFB group) used to have one volley for all the PPD elements, but just considered all phasers facing a down shield fair game.

I'd love to re-read the SFB rules chapter and verse to find out. But my rules are 300 miles away, anyone got a copy on-hand?

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2003, 09:32:05 am »

Quote:

Wait a sec .... that's not how I remember it. But it has been a while since I played SFB.

We (my SFB group) used to have one volley for all the PPD elements, but just considered all phasers facing a down shield fair game.

I'd love to re-read the SFB rules chapter and verse to find out. But my rules are 300 miles away, anyone got a copy on-hand?

Farenheit has it right. The only thing that isn't clearly mentioned is that the DAC doesn't reset for the splash damage. He does say it's a single volley though.

Max_iCOP · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2003, 09:15:32 pm »

I think I got it.

The 5 internals may be called in shield order, but the DAC does not reset.
Which is what we did (in our way).

FireSoul · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2003, 09:56:52 pm »

I think you should install good old 2525.
I'm positive it used to do the old '1-1-3' in the damage display.

-- Lyc

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:31:11 pm »

I'll wager 400 quatloos that you are wrong!

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:02:14 pm »

Well, now it does:

3:5
2:5
1:5

Which is fine with me. It's not perfect, but close enough for SFC. The whole idea of the PPD is to Mizia you to death. This makes it able to do that.

FireSoul · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:15:34 pm »

hm. maybe it was during testing that I saw that. oh well.

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #50 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:42:50 pm »

Rod, you're missing the point.

A single PPD should do 5, 5, 5, 5 exactly as you stated from range 11-15.

The issue here is whether two PPD's fired together should do 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5 or 10, 10, 10, 10.

EAW 2.036 and OP 2.5.3.8 do the latter.

Only OP 2.5.4.10 does the former.

PPD's are getting an undocumented boost in this patch. Try playing a 3v3 while facing typically 6 PPD's on the ISC side. One combined PPD attack can do 24 volleys in just 4 seconds (ouch!). If Taldren wants to improve the PPD then that's great. I'm just pointing out that an unintentional change may have occured.

Dave?

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #51 on:** July 25, 2003, 08:02:10 am »

Tar,
I understand what you are pointing out, and you are right to do so. Taldren had made a decision to combine PPDs and the new patch reverses that. I just personally like it with multiple PPDs doing their own set of vollies. I understand that people can put together fleets with too many PPDs, and the bombardment ship w/6 is over the top, but people can also take a fleet of escorts too, or 3BBs, or whatever. I think that combining multiple PPDs into a single volley takes too much away from it. IMO

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #52 on:** July 25, 2003, 04:11:50 pm »

Toss another detail for the OP FAQ.

I agree with Rod.

I think the latest patch (5-5-5-5-5-5) better emulates the SFB nature of PPD moreso than (10-10-10).

Just my opinion.

-TF

3dot14 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 25, 2003, 04:35:39 pm »

Regardless whether it's intentional or not. I think it's a good change, and should be kept. (both from SFC and SFB perspectives, according to the SFB rules quoted here)

5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5

Anoter item for the OP FAQ indeed.

TarMinyatur · « **Reply #54 on:** July 25, 2003, 10:59:05 pm »

Yep, the PPD should probably enjoy the full Mizia effect it inherits from SFB, but so should the Hellbore, ESG, and seeking weapons. These weapons should also call for new volleys in the DAC, albeit collectively. I know we'll never see that.

Regardless, we'll adjust to whatever Taldren decides. Either way, it doesn't harm gameplay...it just tweaks it.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #55 on:** July 25, 2003, 11:27:20 pm »

True, true. I'm just thrilled to see Dave/Taldren do this for us

TarMinyatur

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