Topic: There is no such thing as a Constitution Class ship.. My proof is... (Read 13366 times)

Pestalence · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2003, 09:57:47 pm »

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While designating the Connie refits as Enterprise-class is tempting as an homage to the original ship, naval practice is that refits do not make a ship into a different class, and Star Trek seems to follow this for the most part. The one RL historical example of this would be the pre-WWII battleships and battlecruisers that were converted to aircraft carriers, but there the entire function of the ship was changed, not just the upgrading of her capabilities (which is what was done with the Enterprise) An example: The ships of the Iowa-class were retrofitted at various points in their careers to levels of capability that make their WWII abilities seem quaint, but they're still the Iowa-class.

So your saying that the maker / designer has no say in what the Class of the model is?

Mr. Andrew Probert, chief designer of the model Enterprise:

"I always called it an "Enterprise class" because (even though the script indicates that it is the same ship being "refitted") it is a new ship with new capabilities. That usually means it is a new class which is named after the first ship built in that class."

What you say makes no sense... What would you do if you made a model and called it what you wanted, then someone else comes along and names it something else entirely that is based off their own opinion and the public accepts it as a fact, when it is entirely false since you're the one who made it?

Roddenberry created Trek... He's the one who made the original plaque for the TOS ship... that is the name HE wanted for it.. and I'd bet that when the Franz reference of Constitution took off for it, Roddenberry was upset...

Remember, Roddenberry stated that "if it's on film, it's canon" and he also stated "unless it has already been set as canon by a previous film."

more food for thought...

THORN · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2003, 10:16:16 pm »

$##$##### ATTENTION THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED REALITY CHECK #########

THE ENTERPRISE IS NOT REAL. THERE IS NO FEDERATION, OR ROMULAIN EMPIRE. kLINGONS DO NOT EXIST.

WHO REALLY CARES WHAT U CALL AN IMAGINARY SPACE SHIP ??

THANX YOU , U ARE NOW RETURNED TO UR POINTLESS ARGUMENT

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #23 on:** February 03, 2003, 10:42:14 pm »

You are refering to The Starship class ship Enterprise, commanded by Captain James R. Kirk?

I suppose you are one of those people who think the Klingon foreheads should be smooth in Enterprise.

I honestly don't think Gene Rodenberry cared if it was called an Enterprise class, Starship class, or Constitution class.

Pestalence · « **Reply #24 on:** February 03, 2003, 10:51:04 pm »

No, I am referring toi the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 with the Captains of Robert April, Christopher Pike, and James Tiberious Kirk... the "Starship Class" is on the dedication plaque next to the main turbo lift as seen in any TOS episode (except "the Cage")... copy of the dedication plaque is in the very first post on this thread....

as for the klingon foreheads, no i don't think that at all.. the issue has not been address on film except in DS9 when Warf stated that klingons don't like to talk about it. The ridge's issue was however covered in the book 'Ashes to Eden' by William Shatner during the time of the retirement of the NCC-1701-A and it's subsequent destruction in same said book.. This information is only authentic until a Film version of an explanation takes place as the film overrides any book source as canon.

thanks for asking...

Julin Eurthyr · « **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2003, 11:12:08 pm »

Hmmm...

Reading this post, and taking the fact that, even as Mr. Roddenberry said, "the only canon material is what is seen on-screen", we can infer this.

The NCC-1701, as shown on the TV series, is a Starship class.
The NCC-1701, refit and as shown in the first 3 movies, is the Enterprise class. Possibly so renamed due to the fact that many newer "starships" of different designs were being planned / built at the time the refit began / ended. Excelsior, Miranda / Reliant, Oberth, etc.
The NCC-1701-A, a replacement for the "Ehterprise" class-refitted Starship class NCC-1701 is in fact the "Constitution" class variant of the Enterprise we've always looked for. Recall, she's different from both prior incarnations of Enterprise (Mr Scott: "I know this ship like the back of my hand". Klunk.)

Another possible thorn in the side of all this. There's a site with numerous http://www.trekplace.com/interviews/franzjoseph.shtml"" target="_blank">Franz Joeseph interviews that says for most of the time period from when the tech manual started to be generated till the signing of the first movie contract, the Star Fleet Technical Manual was to be the "canon" technical reference of TOS. Therefore, Roddenberry had supposedly seen and signed off on the "Constitition" class as being the ship class all along. Read all the interviews there, for fans of the Tech Manual, it's an interesting history...

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2003, 11:19:55 pm »

LOL julin

anduril · « **Reply #33 on:** February 04, 2003, 07:31:35 am »

"All this revisionist history while it may have some accuracy is alot of wind"

Ack, it's been a liberal historical revisionistic plot all along!

anduril · « **Reply #34 on:** February 04, 2003, 09:49:06 am »

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Anyway, even though I'm still not convinced on the whole class thing as that arguement could go on for generations the plaque is there and must be honored!

I think I read where img tags were working again...

Marauth · « **Reply #35 on:** February 04, 2003, 10:47:20 am »

Just thought I'd chip in: If you read the interviews with Schnaubelt (FJ) he basically says that Roddenberry wanted him to work on TMP but FJ didn't want to get involved, GR took this personally and made up the infamous 'rules of starship design' http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/design.htm which basically invalidate all of FJ's designs - the Saladin/Hermes, the Federation and the Ptolemy... Clearly the final disavowal of all off-screen evidence by GR was his last revenge on FJ, he sucked as a person really it seems, I always distrusted humanists

Unfortunately for GR he validated the FJ manual and it was years before he disavowed it so we can carry on calling it the Connie - Starship class starship sounds totally gay anyway.

Ofcourse this is all pointless bickering as no-one will ever call it any different from Connie.

WillardDcker · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2003, 12:24:07 pm »

All I think is this personally:

U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 is a Constitution Class Starship. Even thought the series plaque says Starship Class.

U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 refit is an Enterprise Class Starship since it was established in the first three movies. But a variant of the Constitution Class Starship

U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-A is a Constitution Class Refit because it is dramatically different from its predecessor. Since it has updated technology from that of the refitted Enterprise-Variant . Each fan has their own opinion. So just let it be.

anduril · « **Reply #39 on:** February 04, 2003, 02:20:27 pm »

Lmao

Didn't know what those stars meant and I was wondering why I out starred you!

To quote my favorite Finnish lad....

I ownz j00

Really doesn't matter where all this discussion ends. I am willing to bet Constitution Class is forever in my few remaining working braincells. I can't kill them just to reprogram a few others. I need them.

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