Topic: Dear Taldren  (Read 13348 times)

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FireSoul

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2003, 11:08:00 pm »
Nanners,
Go hijack a different thread.

NannerSlug

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2003, 11:17:16 pm »
who hijacked who FS? look. enjoy the op patch - i support it, but i grow tired of the brick throwing against sfc3.. this thread is about an SFC3 patch and need for it..  (and the lack of support) i wasnt the one who basically is telling the other one its irrelevant. so i ask  you  to not hijack the thread.

thanks.

Corbomite

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2003, 11:19:33 pm »
I never said people didn't like SFC3 Nanner, I was just refuting your blatantly one sided comment about SFB players and their game choices. As usual you spin everything to your way of thinking and no one else is entitled their opinion. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

NannerSlug

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2003, 11:24:43 pm »
you are entitled to your opinion, corbo, no one is disputing that. not me, no one is.. what i am disputing is this whole notion that people are leaving sfc3 to sfc2.. it is both my experience and knowledge that those who stuck with sfc2/op mostly did it because they enjoyed the sfb rule set and simply did not like the sfc3 rule set. that is the reality of the matter.

yes, it is a matter of opnion.. but it just seems that at every turn instead of being supportive - its BURN sfc3 time out of a number around here. i've had it with the misinformation. if you dont like the game, dont play it.. but at least try to be supportive of those of us who do.

sfc3 has gotten the shaft  - and im tired of it.

what i dont get is why those of us who can support both (i support patching op and making it work - as i think anyone with common sense does)- but it generally seems that those who play sfc2 and op would rather see the lack of support for sfc3 - than support what is right and needs to be done.  

Corbomite

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2003, 11:45:05 pm »
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if you dont like the game, dont play it.. but at least try to be supportive of those of us who do.




I don't and I am. When have I ever bad mouthed SFC3? All I have ever said that it is not my cup of tea, but if people are having fun with it more power to them. I find it boring, but I have never told anyone not to buy it or to play EAW or OP instead. Like I said before, I know of many players that play both. That is my knowledge and experience. They like them for different reasons and have fun with both for those differences.

And take your own advice. Plenty of people are tired of your never ending bashing of players who prefer the SFB style game play. To each his own, just let it lie. No one in this thread mentioned SFB before you brought it up in a derisive comment geared to make SFB players look inflexible and that they purposely tried to sabotage SFC3 by "refusing" to play it due to a different rule set. Did it ever occur to you that they just simply didn't like it based on it's own merits? I know I didn't and it had absolutely nothing to do with SFB or SFC2.

FireSoul

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2003, 11:48:01 pm »
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who hijacked who FS? look. enjoy the op patch - i support it, but i grow tired of the brick throwing against sfc3.. this thread is about an SFC3 patch and need for it..  (and the lack of support) i wasnt the one who basically is telling the other one its irrelevant. so i ask  you  to not hijack the thread.
thanks.  





Fine. You're right.
Can you shut up now?

NannerSlug

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2003, 11:53:47 pm »
it was most certainly not a derisive comment.. you took a very, very basic statment and twisted.. reread my comment.. it is truthful and is most certainly not anti anything.. i simply pointed out a fact - most of the people playing op and sfc2 are sfb folk . that is the reality of the matter.. that is a neutral statment which attempts to answer the individuals question to why some are still playing sfc2 and op.  where did i say that they were refusing to play sfc3 and were sabatoging it? i didnt - you made that up in your mind (like many other comments i have seen attributed to my self which were blantantly false).

reread the statment slowly if you have to. geeze.

if you have been paying attention the last few weeks what i have maintained (and it is the truth) is that people play different games and yes, it is completely subjective.. and it is their opinion - and we should leave it at that. it does not meant that if someone plays sfc2 they cannot like sfc3 and vise versta.

that said, however, sfc3 has recieved the shaft - and that is what this thread is about. you may not like sfc3 - and that is completely upto you - but the one thing i simply ask is to support a proper patching process.. again, i ask you this simple question.. how would you like to play sfc2 or op straight out of the box - the same way sfc3 has been treated. see my point?

thanks.

NannerSlug

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2003, 11:56:36 pm »
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[Fine. You're right.
Can you shut up now?  




not until we get our patch and fair/equal treatment! sfc3 has recieved the shaft for too long now.  if you really want people to pipe down (not just me) - then accept them for who they are and at least lend moral support for what is right. i dont think that is much to ask.

Corbomite

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2003, 12:45:38 am »
I can't wait for the official patch to come out so I can try the game again and hopefully like it enough to play it. I did play SFC2 out of the box and have waited almost 3 years for it to be "fixed". SFC3 hasn't even been out a year and will probably be fixed in one real patch. You call that being shafted? We're up to what, 7 patches for SFC2? OP sat and sat and was felt to be abandoned until the last few months so save the wounded routine. We've lost more players due to delays and politics than you had for all of SFC3. People complaining that SFC3 needs to be modded to be right is almost laughable (see original post in the thread). I was under the impression that's what most players wanted it to be like, then when admins run with it, it's "thank God for these great people that saved our game"? They are doing what SFC3 was intended for, modability. Taldren will release the final patch for SFC3, of that you can be sure. I hope you don't have to wait 3 years for it like the rest of us have.
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Reverend

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2003, 01:10:48 am »
I couldn't hold out any longer... orry. Allow me to attempt to ruin this thread, but attempt to keep from flaming all of my friends in here... which, LOL, is most if not all of you. The Altar Of SFB is not getting near the pew filling I expected it to.. but we'll change that. Corbomite, Fiewsoul, and Nanner, you've all been hitting like Joe Dimaggio at the last game of a season... but let me remind you that it is true that there are a lot of people coming to SFB; oh, I mean SFC2, OP, and 1, because they are not getting the fufillment of a finished product... similar to the pains of adolescence that apparently all SFB fans feel for the continuity of thier lives... they have no control over anything, so they find this fantasy game where it is controlled incessantly, overabundantly, repetatively, and meritriculously by anal-retentive little bitty rules. Rules that kept you form going into reverse,changed only recently only because the developers probrobly were yelled at by their mother(s) upstairs for creating a game where you can exceed the speed of light by great factors, but can't go backwards a foot a minute. SFC3  had a great tactical platform to base off of, but stretched it to fit people who are not victims of obsessive-compulsive disorders, i.e., normal people who like for things to bahave 'naturally'.
SFC3  may be losing people because it doesn't have the same factors that other space sims have, a continual and persistant universe, and more control over thier ship. You just don't realize how much nnot being stuck in clausterphobic little hexes has on people. Majes them bored. People do not want to play a game where everything is pretend, when you play a video game, you are already pretending; it is difficult and toilious for most to have to extend beyond that. How do I know or care that I am at a starbase relilling on premium, getting troops, when I can't even see the ship?
The SFC series made its final failure with the lack of production, work, and short-sightedness of its parent company, gay-ass Activision. Had EA, or CCP, or anyone else large made SFC3, it would have had a persistent universe, no hex map, and would have sold extensively, still holding onto SFB basics- be they (in full form) naseatingly rulebook-oriented, but still very effective in light doses. SFC3 did not fail, SFB worshippers, because it wasn't based on SFB. Realize that, and your whole lives open up before you...
If wishes came true, I'd wish for another game called SFC4:OP2, and one called SFC4: Starship Captain ( or whatever for both). First one, it'd be a almost duplicate of SFC:OP, with more SFB canon races- the WYN, the Andromedans, etc., with apporpriate SFB setting that I see were missed... adding some extra moddablilty for Firesoul's sake. Something to that effect... no pirates, except Orion and a little faction action... jsut extra races that we apparently missed out on- SFB races all seem the same to me anyhow.... this one gets drones, this one get drones and +5 modifers becasue they have magical feet in the females...
The other simotaneous release, would take off where SFC3 should have begun, but didn't. It would behave with a consistent universe- you access a map (with a drop down hex map for dunces) that displayed the 'known' or explored unverse, and its landmarks or starsystems..... target one, its course is laid out... hit the "W" key, and the ship jumps to warp.... it would be as though you are in a continuous battle- no idiot map, no magical base refilling screens.... you could find your friends and physically fly up to them... the entiriety of those logged onto a server could be right next to the same planet- deosnt seem to bother other games servers... I was trying Eve Genesis online, and I couldn't see a planet because there was too many people's ships on front of it- I had landed into a full-scale war!
Sucha game has many many missions... some can be found on a intra-net BBS server, some just by being somewhere. Refits are a good start for SFC3.... it can make anyone feel unique by building their won ship- too bad it was so limited. Interface could have been expounded upon by great factors... it would have made it all the more playable.
The reason people bought and play SFC3 is because it was BASED on a sound but overdone system.... but it was only half completed. The reson they try other games is because any person you ever meet on the street will have at least heard of Star Trek.... and SFC3 was the closest we have come to a good Star Trek game. I was overjoyed and simultaneously despondent becuase I saw how SFC played, but that it was based soley off of SFB, which I had then recently given up because it was so bloody dull. I have since been disappointed that I thought that the SFB crowd would have been satisfied by having three games to choose from, only to find out the developers were just playing around anyhow.
Ever since SFC3 came out, a deviation from TOTAL SFB, it has been hammered for the most hideously wrong reasons. It ddin't sell because it was half-completed, not because it didn't have enough SFB in it. My biggest laugh will be when there is another Star Trek gmae made, and its just like stupid Bridge Commander... what a waste of time and money for Pete's sake.
If there are fans around of it, I'm sorry, but that was just like every other Star Trek game (besides SFC series), a miserable tease... nothing more.
In conclusion, I am not saying I hate SFB. I am saying that SFC series was good, but lets somehow see what happens when you make a consistent/persistent universe with the SFC3 battle style- it had just enough SFB in it to give it stability and temperance, but didnt make me feel confined... when I play a SFC3 battle, for just a split second, I really feel like I am flying a huge, complex starship... until the mission ends, or I see the same planet I saw four times ago, not to mention the sun- I feel like I have made no progress when I look at that miserable little hexmap either. Oh, my. look. One little hex is flipped. What does that mean? A hex? Who lives there? There ws no odd little plaent or comet or whatever that makes me remember which one is the next- its barely even numbered! Why can't I trade a little to keep from getting smeared in my little beginning ship?
Yes, I know that there are other spaceship games that will do that, and no, I won't go play them for good. This was out seemingly only chance at having a good Star Trek game, and it was half-assed. Not only that, but the ones who got their 3 specially -tailored games are STILL COMPLAINING. Everyone who was lookingfor a good ST game found SFC, and found it to be dull and too confining. SFC3 came out, promised all this, and gave nothing more than an easier (see more canon to TV show ) version of the same old joke... a bad joke.  

Cleaven

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2003, 01:22:16 am »
The bartender is no longer allowed to serve the rambling drunk at the end of the bar.

At least not until he sobers up, and does some spell checking. (toilious???? indeed)  

Reverend

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2003, 02:08:01 am »
toilous.. ah.. like 'to toll'?No good...I still wouldn't figure you'd drop to spelling calls Corbo.. hit harder next time my friend. Just hoping, not rambling... maybe having two differnet releases would alleviate our mutual distaste for the same entities.  

ActiveX

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2003, 02:08:44 am »
I personally think SFC in general would have been more of a hit if it hadn't been so much based on SFB as it should have been 'real' Trek...

Reverend

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2003, 02:22:37 am »
Corbo, silly me- Cleaven I meant. Again, just as I have stated, you're just another control freak. SFC2OP is jpractically ust fine- it is chock full of good ol' Amercian SFB SOB material... I can imagine the stars themselves weeping for your pains.... ''oh lordy, why don't I have this or that'' .... maybe to be able to boot the game you should like to have a little graphic dice rolling whether or not you made a proper saving throw vs. emotional stability. You are among the most melodramatic person I have seen here yet. Keep wailing, I bet SFC2OP gets a patch before 3 does.... I really don't see all that much difference between them actually, except less SFB in part 3...  of course SFC3 has less everything in general. It didn't ''fix all'', and no one will say that it will... it was a bigger disappointment than the others were, in perspective. Your arguments spin in circles, and you continuoulsy fall, in time, to slanderous insults instead of points of fact. I put all sorts of quotables in here, so0 I'm sure the next post will have more of the same inane little anal-retentive weak-minded little quotes and responses like you are so ood at doing.. so befitting of great intelligence. Pleae, argue more, you only serve to increase my point.
The only real thing I was trying to say before you got me all fired up was that SFC3 has seen better playability only because it had used SFB as a base to operate from- it took the most pertient rules, but changed some other for playablitly... if it had went further, not only half-heartedly, it'd have sold more, and kept your interest as well... at least a little longer. Sorry if I upset you.  

**DONOTDELETE**

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2003, 02:27:09 am »
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I personally think SFC in general would have been more of a hit if it hadn't been so much based on SFB as it should have been 'real' Trek...  




Glad I stayed up late to catch this one....

Ahem.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

*wipes tear from eye*

Thanks man....I needed a good laugh

ActiveX

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2003, 02:27:57 am »
Glad you think its funny...

**DONOTDELETE**

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2003, 02:42:31 am »
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Glad you think its funny...  




I do ...seriously....

#1....SFC would have been just another Trek game....

#2....There is a good chance we wouldnt have seen a sequel.....

#3...no sequel...no Taldren

#4....No Taldren....no SFC3.....

#5.....to claim that one type of fantasy is "more real" than another type of fantasy  IS  funny...the term "real" trek allways cracks me up....

So yeah....I thinks its funny....
   

ActiveX

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2003, 02:47:05 am »
Thus the reason I put 'real' in quotes...

FireSoul

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2003, 02:56:29 am »
This is the song that never ends..
.. it goes on and on my friends..

**DONOTDELETE**

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Re: Dear Taldren
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2003, 03:20:28 am »
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Thus the reason I put 'real' in quotes...  




Define "real" trek.....

Star trek TOS?
Star trek the animated series?
Star trek novels?
Star trek comics?
Star trek motion pictures(TOS based)?
Star trek TNG?
Star trek DS9?
Star trek VOY?
Star trek ENT?
Star trek motion pictures (TNG based)?
The miriad of previous Star trek games....including SFB?

No one I have EVER posed this question to has EVER answered it......because you cant....there is no "real "trek...only  your opinion of what "real" trek is.......and no matter  what that opinion may be......I can find you hundreds, perhaps thousands, of trek fans that will disagree....because  they all have differing opinions of what "real" trek is.....

Now if you want to exchange the word "real" for "consistant"...then we at least have a starting point to throw out 80% of existing trek...and of all that trek stuff floating around out there....SFB is at the very least ..the most consistant of the bunch....and not a bad place to base a game off of....