Topic: WANDERER & FPF MEMBERS!!! BCG UPDATE!! - Latest Pics.

[Rogue NineCH]

I have reworked  the model, lengthened the secondary hull, and the warp engines a bit.  I wanted to get you guys honest opinion on how it looks, feel free to criticize as long as it's constructive.  I think I came fairly to the pics Wanderer had awhile back.  Anyway here are the pics and remember this is a WIP.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     

[Rogue]

There is a lot to like about it. You are using good ship to start from. I wished I knew what a BCG is supposed to look like. My gut reaction is the lower secondary hull looks a little small in circumference. That could be good to make it stand out from other Federation ships. That and the warp struts look like they need something. I think I'm so used to looking at FD13's Fed battlecruiser that I expect it to resemble that. Perhaps a squared leading edge and tapering the  trailing one. Just an opinion.    

[Chrystoff]

I think it look s superb!!!! My only suggestion is to leave the warps the regular size. I'm really glad you are doing this; thegame is seriously lacking a good battlecruiser, and I refuse to use the Excelsior for that.  

[Azel]

I agree with Rogue ...But sweet job none the less MAN!!!
 

[Rod O'neal]

If you do widen the lower hull, or maybe just reduce the taper, I wouldn't make it any taller. I know round is more cannon, but I think it has an aggressive look that would be lost if the lower hull was rounded more. It looks real nice though.  

[manitoba]

my opinion is this it looks fantastic, but also the hull needs to be a hair bigger and the nacelles a hair smaller. sorry if it sounds nitpickin but it just doesnt have the proportional look to it. otherwise i say great job. not that my opinion matters to much since all i can do right now is kitbash. lol   oh well

[sandman69247]

Looks really good! The only thing I can think of, and it's just a personal opinion, is the neck looks to long and 2ndary hull too skinny. When I think of a battlecruiser, my mind conjures a large, squat, mean looking SOB...this just seems too graceful and elegant. Like I said, though, it's just a personal opinion that may be tempered by my continueing fascination with pre-TOS era ships, which are all pretty squat looking.

Good work my friend, keep it up!!


 

[Rogue NineCH]

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There is a lot to like about it. You are using good ship to start from. I wished I knew what a BCG is supposed to look like. My gut reaction is the lower secondary hull looks a little small in circumference. That could be good to make it stand out from other Federation ships. That and the warp struts look like they need something. I think I'm so used to looking at FD13's Fed battlecruiser that I expect it to resemble that. Perhaps a squared leading edge and tapering the  trailing one. Just an opinion.    

I appreciate your input, the secondary hull does look slimmer, I was going for something a little different, give the ship a unique look to it.  The struts look just like the pic Wanderer posted, I don't recall what FD13's ship looks like so if you have pic then post it.  I would like to stay as close to Wanderer's concept as possible, but then again I could always do two versions of the ship. Thanks for the input, keep it coming.

[Rogue NineCH]

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Looks really good! The only thing I can think of, and it's just a personal opinion, is the neck looks to long and 2ndary hull too skinny. When I think of a battlecruiser, my mind conjures a large, squat, mean looking SOB...this just seems too graceful and elegant. Like I said, though, it's just a personal opinion that may be tempered by my continueing fascination with pre-TOS era ships, which are all pretty squat looking.

Good work my friend, keep it up!!  

Not really going to be able to do the squat thing,but I can make the secondary hull bigger though.  I was kinda experimenting with the sleek, but deadly look.  Some unsuspecting Klingon decides he can take the ship cause it doesn't look like much, then it opens fire.  I  wanted an atypical design, something that didn't look like the Enterpirse with lowered warp nacelles.  Thanks for the input Sandman, I admire your models very much, and do value your opinion along with everyone else.  Keep it comin'!!

Oh and Sandman, how 'bout that Remora?  You can't keep that baby to yourself forever!!  

 

[manitoba]

http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68152&perpage=25&pagenumber=8


heres my version of it. credits goes to lord bile is where i got this one from.  since its just a preview and not a working model yet i would like to ask lord bile to make it a workable one

[Dizzy]

 

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 I wanted to get you guys honest opinion on how it looks, feel free to criticize as long as it's constructive.  

For what its worth, heres my take...

The secondary hull at the aft end on the underside where it tapers up... is too long. That part of the end of it should be shorter. I wouldnt shorten the larger part of the secondary hull, just where the end tapers up on the bottom, that part shouldnt be so long. I kinda agree with Rogue that it looks a little small in circumference. Perhaps if it was made fatter... The warp engines look a tad too long. If they were all shortened together it would look even.

Other than that, the basic design of dropping the Warp Engines down below the saucer section has never appealed to me. I think it makes it look very ungainly, ugly, really.

Try this on for size... Take the warp engines and move them up just above the plane where they are on the enterprise design and then add a Reliant style weapons roll-bar to the top of the saucer section. Thats where the extra 2x Photons for the BCJ model are, the 2x F-torps for the BCF and the 2x Drones for the BCG would be.

I love the sturdier looking warp pylons you have there... and the stretching of the secondary hull, at least the fat part looks good.

But raising the warp engines above the saucer just like the enterprise looks is what makes the whole ship look right.

IMO, the BCG-J series should just be a beefed up FCA. Larger secondary hull, slightly larger/longer warp engines, sturdier warp engine struts, and that reliant styled weapons roll bar added to the saucer would just be bad ass...

BTW, in OP, in my shiplist, the BCJ would use just such a model and the center 2x of the 6x Photon tubes would have an FARA arc just like the NCM Miranda class... Maybe the BCJ would be flown more often then... Lets consider that this is how these ships were designed. They are basically a remake of the F-CB. They have to have someplace to put the extra heavy weapons... The roll bar weapons pod is the answer...

The pics below of the USS Banting, I like a lot about this model, but theres a lot not to like.

 
 
 
 
 

 

If we could axe the Excelsior style engines, and add yours here, thats better.

If we could use your secondary hull, even better.

If we could use your Warp Engine Pylons, better still.
 

So basically, if you just raised your warp engines up like TMP Enterprise, and then added that Reliant style Weapons roll bar, and then shortened the thin end of that enlarged secondary hull you have, I would say you have a winner.

As is, you ship with the engines lowered down like that makes it look awful bland...  

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I didnt see this till just now:  

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  I  wanted an atypical design, something that didn't look like the Enterpirse with lowered warp nacelles.  Thanks for the input Sandman, I admire your models very much, and do value your opinion along with everyone else.  Keep it comin'!!

 

Hehe. It may sound like I am nitpicky, but I am just particular in my tastes. If I could get your model with conventionally placed warp engines, a Reliant styled Weapons roll bar, and a larger tougher meaner looking secondary hull and warp engine struts, Id be a happy feddie.

I like the Banting. But she isnt what I want. Yours isnt either... God I am picky!

[Klingon Fanatic]

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Not really going to be able to do the squat thing,but I can make the secondary hull bigger though.  I was kinda experimenting with the sleek, but deadly look.  Some unsuspecting Klingon decides he can take the ship cause it doesn't look like much, then it opens fire.  I  wanted an atypical design, something that didn't look like the Enterpirse with lowered warp nacelles.  Thanks for the input Sandman, I admire your models very much, and do value your opinion along with everyone else.  Keep it comin'!!

Oh and Sandman, how 'bout that Remora?  You can't keep that baby to yourself forever!!  

 

Well it won't be me that mistakes this ship for a docile target! LOL. Great work there, its going to be a damn shame to blow this up [after I take care of its fighter compliment, naturally] when its released.

Qapla!

KF

[Chrystoff]

Rogue NineCH, check your inbox.  

[SPQR Renegade001]

Now IMHO, I've always liked the Chruchill design for my Fed BCH.

 

I like the squat stocky build of that ship for a Battle Cruiser. It looks built to take punishment and keep coming back for more. The graceful pylons on the Conny are fine for a multi-purpose ship, where asthetics can count more; but were talking about a ship built for a single purpose.  War. Would any of the Churchill's beefier elements give this ship more of what your looking for? Or is that too far from the target?

That said... RougeNine I do like where you are going with your ship. I'll be looking forward to adding it to the lineup.
 

[sandman69247]

All I have of the Remora is the mesh and the templates Pata left me...Atheorhaven was doing the textures for me, but he seems MIA right now. I wonder if something happened in the move he just completed? Anyway, I'm waiting for that baby too!


 

[Rogue NineCH]

Well I'd offer to do it, but my texturing skills leave much to be desired.  Unless you have a copy of the textures as well, I cna do minor touchup, and map them out.  Just a thought.

[wanderer]

Rogue NineCH, thank you for the PM, I was out of town over the weekend and had missed this thread. As to comments...

I would have to agree with the sentiment of having standard sized warp engines. The larger ones do look a bit ungainly, imo. The secondary hull for the BC should be larger in circumfrence, but your "skinny" design got me thinking. If you used the skinny hull, throw on LN-68 engines, and the design would make a great TMP era Fast Cruiser (CF), which I don't think anyone has ever made before. What do you think?

Oh, one thing...a BC probably wouldn't have those big arboretum windows, heheh.

Here's a couple of pics of a TOS Battlecruiser...



I'm still hoping to see all four BC varients...  

[Rogue NineCH]

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Rogue NineCH, thank you for the PM, I was out of town over the weekend and had missed this thread. As to comments...

I would have to agree with the sentiment of having standard sized warp engines. The larger ones do look a bit ungainly, imo. The secondary hull for the BC should be larger in circumfrence, but your "skinny" design got me thinking. If you used the skinny hull, throw on LN-68 engines, and the design would make a great TMP era Fast Cruiser (CF), which I don't think anyone has ever made before. What do you think?

Oh, one thing...a BC probably wouldn't have those big arboretum windows, heheh.

Here's a couple of pics of a TOS Battlecruiser...



I'm still hoping to see all four BC varients...  

Thanks for the feedback wanderer, I had pretty much decided to make the secondary hull "fatter", at least for my BCG design.  The warp engines I wasn't sure about when I enlarged them, I figured I'd let the public decide, so they'll be smaller.  I am sure I have seen the engines you are talking about, it's just the name doesn't ring a bell.  Post a pic or tell me where I can see them.  I figured I could still use the skinny design on another class ship.  About the arboretum windows, I acually did take them out in a texture I have.  It just looked funny to me, I am so used to seeing those windows, what I will do is include both textures and people can choose windows, or no windows.

One more thing, how about the length of the secondary hull?  Looking at the BCG pics, I think I got it fairly close.

 I did want to tell you that I will be making all four variants, the challenge will be the carrier, I don't know if I can do the hangar doors the way the pic showed them, but I think I can come up with something that will be good.  At least until my modeling skills improve or someone else decides to make a better model.

[wanderer]

The LN-68 engines can be seen on the Belknap-class cruiser USS Sur Cha. I always liked the design, I think they would look great with the "skinny" hull, mounted on swept-back pylons, horizontal like the BC design. A great CF!

Yeah, I think you got the secondary hull length pretty good, it should be more obvious when you increase the hull's circumference. Shaping up nicely, sir!

 

[Marauth]

I personally love the design, but Rogue oh Rogue, why did you use P81's second generation connie? The minimum should be his third version from the D2 mod, with the restyled textures by atra (he added some details and stuff) it's more detailed has nicer textures and is lower-poly but a smoother model coz he was more efficient with the polies. Really I'd have used that as a basis, distorting the nacelle pylons into shape and then stretch the sec hull, oh and I would hae used the built up neck from the Ascension, it just seems like the neck is too floppy and small for a battlecruiser right now. Just MO

[Klingon Fanatic]

BUMP

Got to love threads with multiple ships mentioned in them.

KF  

[Klingon Fanatic]

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Now IMHO, I've always liked the Chruchill design for my Fed BCH.

 

I like the squat stocky build of that ship for a Battle Cruiser. It looks built to take punishment and keep coming back for more.    

 I  totally agree with you.  The Churchil is my FBCH too! If, I'm not mistaken isn't that version 1 of the Churchill? The warp engine armor appears to be texture mapped vs being in the mesh as in version two.

Same ship, more polies at: www.staryards.com

Qapla!

KF    

[Bernard Guignard]

Hello all
It's nice to know that the Banting is being used in some capacity with some gamers, and its doing what its design set out to do which is generate discussion.  When I bashed the design on paper.  I was looking for a desgin that would be familiar but different. Starfleet the organization had umpteen heavy cruisers,  and other ships but most of them are your standard canon starship. I wanted some thing different but something that could be made from the exisiting models at the time. The model  had to be relativley simple for people to put together with out any complicated sawing and hull creation technicques. So any one who wanted to make a model of the Banting class could.  I'm enjoying greatly the discussion thats going on here and I'm looking forward to seeing the results keep up the great work guys.    

[Chrystoff]

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It's nice to know that the Banting is being used in some capacity with some gamers, and its doing what its design set out to do which is generate discussion.

Bernard, I do like the Banting quite a bit! The roll bar gives it a great battlecruiser look. I have always wanted to ask you: Would it be possible to get her with the standard warp enfines instead of the excelsior engines?  

[Bernard Guignard]

Hi Chrystoff
   I didn't create the model my self Hollis J Wood was nice enough to kit-bash it for me. If you want to create a Varient with different warp engines knock yourself out. I'd like to see her with LN68 warp engines.
FYI the pod on the roll bar is supposed to be mission specific and interchangable. so you can have a science pod, torp pod,  and other's that I can't imagine at the moment.  Have a great day.

   

[manitoba]

but ium more partial to this one