Topic: Something I noticed about "First Contact"......... (Read 5613 times)

Parislord · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2003, 11:09:08 pm »

I've always thought that that big canoe on the Oberth was probably a modular thing like the AWAC type wedge assembly on the Nebulae, perhaps they were reconfigured with weapons at the local starbase before being flung intot he battle, or maybe with enhance EW gear for fleet EW support.

If you watch FC closely, you'll notice, btw, that an inordinately high number of Steamrunners get wacked in that battle, compared to other models...

manitoba · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2003, 03:43:51 pm »

i've heard things like that too. about those eggs also

Atrahasis · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2003, 08:53:16 am »

One thing I've never understood about the Oberth is this: according to internal Okudagrams of it we've seen on the show, it has actual rooms in that lower hull. If that's the case, how do you get people in there? Beam them from the saucer? I think there should be some sort of interconnecting pylon that has a turbolift, it would greatly expand the usable space of the ship if it has to carry around that pod anyways.

3dot14 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 20, 2003, 10:48:43 am »

Re: the Oberths

Well I take you don't believe in Scout Sensor and ECM lending?

Oh wait... this is TNG... Never mind.

Rogue · « **Reply #24 on:** July 20, 2003, 11:23:22 am »

Ya, that lower hull doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. But it sure looks pretty. I think if they ever develop working technology like they have in Star Trek, the ships will look nothing like they do in the show. There are a lot of ships that have large areas that would be enclosed instead of being open. Mostly cylinders, spheres and boxes. What's the point of building a large vacuous area when a little extra hull structure would enclose it and add to structural integrity?

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2003, 02:55:44 pm »

Well the ships in Star Trek are made to look nice, not to be practical. I think they do a fantastic job of it myself. I can overlook the impractical nature of a lot of the designs since they look cool, and they are fantasy after all. I personally think that any space ship large enough to not be capable of landing on a planet would not be aerodynamic at all. Something like the Babylon5 ships, with a large mass that spins around a central axis mass, so the crew can get a feeling of gravity for certain occasions like showers, machine shops, medical bays and other stuff that would be better off with gravity. They wouldn't be nice to look at though. Not nearly as nice as those sweet curves of the Oberth.

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2003, 06:04:32 pm »

All these are good points... BUT....

When you have a load of Excelsiors and Ambassadors, even Galaxys, they DO make a better option to send up against a Borg cube..... How far is the Typhon sector from earth anyway.....

A point I was trying to put across was that the minute you name a ship "Enterprise" it immediately consigns the rest of the class to the scrapheap, and yet really old designs seem to hang around for ever.... I mean what would you prefer to have around in a fight.... Connies or Mirandas, Ambassadors or Excelsiors... etc, etc....

I think it all comes down to the fact that Paramount wont make the assumption that it's audience has a brain....

ILM EFFECTS GUY BOB:
Ok, we've got all these really cool ship models that we can use in this big battle we've got planned against the Borg/Dominion/Generic rampaging Alien Race.... Shall we use the Enterprise "A" model? Regarded by Mike Okuda as one of the finest starship miniatures EVER created....

PARAMOUNT EXEC BROWN:
Nah, just you go and kitbash something like I said.... And dont talk back!!!! What do you know about Star Trek anyway?

ILM EFFECTS GUY BOB:
Plenty actually... I just dont see why we...........

PARAMOUNT EXEC BROWN:
(Interrupts)
Here take this ERTL Voyager top bit thingy and glue it on to half of this jet fighter.... but do it back to front... that way, they'll never know
(Holds bent little finger up to mouth in some form of crap Dr Evil impression...... Throws Voyager primary hull and F-14 kit across table)

ILM EFFECTS GUY BOB:
Ok, ok.....whatever
(mutters)....[censored]!!!

Anyway, Paramount seem to think that if we SEE a Connie on screen then it HAS to be the Enterprise...!! Same goes for the Excelsior "B" variant (Lakota aside)......

Anyway, there you go.....

Anthony_Scott · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2003, 01:01:47 pm »

Quote:

I've always thought that that big canoe on the Oberth was probably a modular thing like the AWAC type wedge assembly on the Nebulae, perhaps they were reconfigured with weapons at the local starbase before being flung intot he battle, or maybe with enhance EW gear for fleet EW support.

If you watch FC closely, you'll notice, btw, that an inordinately high number of Steamrunners get wacked in that battle, compared to other models...

I believe the reason that alot of steamrunner, akira and miranda ships get toasted is that the SFX guys and gals apparently like how the saucer sections look when they go blooie...which is one reason why in Sacrifice of angels so many mirandas got whacked...

but since the miranda is an FCL maybe she should not be in the thick of things but taking pot shots from afar...

just a thought or two...

sandman69247 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 21, 2003, 04:04:02 pm »

'Tis a sad, sad day when people can't tell the difference from ST to SW ships. Really whack 'em out and put a couple of SSD's in a Trek movie...then they'll think they're the same!!!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #30 on:** July 21, 2003, 07:01:54 pm »

Sorry to go on about the Oberth design, but recently I had the idea that there might be some sort of turbolift shaft that extends from the main hull and into that little pod whenever you need it. Naturally it would be retracted when the ship is cruising along.

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:58:06 pm »

As an Englishman (that's in Europe guys..... where the history comes from), I have no idea when it comes to American cars. As far as I know, the roads are so big that a steering wheel is generally listed as an "option".....

Just kidding, dont start flaming me ok???

Actually, now that I think, the majority of TNG starships seem to follow the same train of though.... Big, Fat, Bouncy with a less than perfect reliabilty.......

Its a pity there aren't any "Euro" starships...... Small, Chic, Stylish, Economic and if it's German, then it'll not break down.....

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:57:34 pm »

LMAO
Now, dont get me wrong here... The US has produced some stunning cars... From the Auburns and Dusenbergs pre-war, right up to today with your Vipers and the "soon to be released and it's about time too" Ford GT... (IMHO, the GT40 is one of the greatest of all sportscars)... It's just that there's no class or finesse...

The awesome engineering of a Porsche or a Mercedes Benz..... The stunning performance of a Ferrari or a Lamborghini..... The attention to detail of a handful of select independant British Manufacturers... Oh happy days.....

Who will not admit to being totally awe inspired by the McClaren F1 for example.... Big money I'll agree but awesome, just awesome......

I will concede this though...... When it comes to military hardware you beat us hands down.....

Eurofighter is good, probably the best.... But I'll take a Strike Eagle anyday, performance you CAN rely on...

Now THATS an American tradition.....

manitoba · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:02:42 pm »

yeap but thats also probably another factor for building starships time and cost.

Reverend · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2003, 11:52:28 am »

gee, Smiley, my head is starting to hurt with all the lumps you and DestinyCalling keep giving me:(...lol

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