Topic: Off Topic : Space Shuttle Columbia Lost

[Pestalence]

On CNN :

Space Shuttle Columbia blew up upon re-entry. 12500 MPH at 200000 ft.

Nasa has confirmed Officially that the shuttle is lost.

There is no word at this moment of any survivors....

Please take a moment of silence for the crew's brave efforts in the space scientific studies which are designed to benifit us all...

I hope that survivors will be found.

Thanks.  

[FatherTed]

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high unsurpassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

[lleggs]

sad

[Hondo_8]

For those brave men and women who have dared to dream, to hold true through dedacation to acheive what so many of us dream. For all those that have gone before in search of the unknown. There is no falure here.  These men and women have achieved a boyhood dream, they have dared to risk fate, and have seen the stars. Such courage as this needs  thought and remberence in hopes that boys and girls will grow with the desire to reach further in the heavens and not let those that have sacrificed gone to waste. Soon we shall be history and those that rember will look upon us as we look upon the ancient explorers. The dream shall never die, it will become reality, and our childrens childrens, childrens will dream new dreams that will make reality, as has the ones that stood before us had dreams we turned into reality.  

[SghnDubh]

In memoriam.

[Hawkeye]

last night i dreamt of the disaster. grandfather warned me and i knew that columbia was lost when the phone rang this morning at 8:30 pst and my friend let me know. our space program hasn't recovered from the last disaster. my heart aches for the families.

grandfather, bless those lost and grant them access the great camp in the sky. we ask that you watch over them and their families in this time of need. i give my blessings of love and peace to those affected and wish nothing but the best for this dire situation.

this shaman's prayers are squarely fixed on columbia and it's crew today

yo-ko hey!

   

[Pestalence]

Quote:
On CNN :

Space Shuttle Columbia blew up upon re-entry. 12500 MPH at 200000 ft.

Nasa has confirmed Officially that the shuttle is lost.

There is no word at this moment of any survivors....

Please take a moment of silence for the crew's brave efforts in the space scientific studies which are designed to benifit us all...

I hope that survivors will be found.

Thanks.  

Update from NASA breifing at 3 PM EST... Nasa has stated that all hands are lost and are expressing condolences to the families of the crew... The official loss altitude and speed are : 207135 ft  travelling at speed approx Mach  18.3. All data on the shuttle that had not been transmitted was lost as well...

I too express my condolences and I am very saddened at this terrible loss of those brave voyagers... may their sacrafice be not in vain.

may we build upont this to increase backup and safety procedures in our space exploration program and to persevere in our efforts to gain knowledge and understanding. May their sacrafice promote a stonger will of the people to continue exploring the final frontier.

My heart and prayers are with the families of the lost.

 

[Lono]

May God rest their souls !

7 more heros leave us, who fought to make this world a better place.

Let their sacrifice stand as a testament to all man can accomplish, through courage and reason and cooperation with his fellow man.

They shall be dearly missed.
 

[Tus]

I pray that the loss of the brave souls will forever be remembered for their explary courage, and that their family may be conforted by the knowledge that they have helped to save other future explorers from the same peril.

I pray that their deaths only help increase our endeavors to explore the unknown and gain knowledge to better mankind

May their souls rest in peace

Tus  

[Tantalus]

There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....  

[FatherTed]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

No disrespect, but sometimes there are more important things in life than a damn game, Tanty. Read this and understand why some of us think that maybe there are exceptions to the O/T rule:

  Nagocdoches Newpaper Confirms Remains Found

[matyoung]

Amen  

[shadow-viper]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

I can't beleave you .This is not off the topic. This is what this game
is based on. We only role play what these brave souls did for real and now gave there lives for so that one day
some thing like star trek will be reallty,So show some respect!!!! If you dont like what being said here then move on.
And agan GOD BLESS THESE BRAVE SOULS AND THERE FAMILYS.    

[DoggieMon]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

Actually I think think although you are right the topic is more than appropriate.  It may be that you're just responsing to the media saturation of the event, I don't know.

However the topic is more than relevant. It is at the very heart of this forum.  SFC 1-3 as well as its insipiration Star Trek was at the core of the reason those seven astronauts died today... Space, the final frontier.  A lot of us are maybe just fans of the vehicles and action sequences of the Trek series or of SFC but the very soul of Star Trek is exploration and using technogy as a tool to better ourselves.  That seems to be the reason for the series longevity.  In fact now that Trek seems to be just another franchise and deviates from its origins the it fares worse, as the recent Nemesis seems to prove. And that was the very reason the crew of the Columbia was out there.

May our prayers be with the souls of those explorers of the final frontier who left this earth today towards the undiscovred country and with the families and friends of the daparted. The whole of humanity will feel the loss of the Columbia and its crew, for the exploration of space is an edeavor for the whole of humanity as the construction of the space station in general and the loss of a multinational crew of astronauts today in particular has shown.

And in the case of these honored posts being deemed as off topic may I just point out the name of the very first space shuttle... Enterprise. May its remaining sister ships find fair weather and good winds.

Thank you for your attention,

Doug  

[Tantalus]

Yes there are more important things to life than a game, but some people do not need to be reminded of something that is being broadcasted on all channels and in all papers.

People who rush to post bad news in as many places as possible should think a little more about the people reading it.

Sometimes it's just more appropriate to keep bad news in it's respective place rather than saturate it all over the place.

I was very very sad to hear about what happened..... I just don't like to see this kind of bad news glorified.  If you have no clue as to what I am talking about... then never mind.  No offence was intended to anyone.  

[BaronLupus]

I'd like to offer a simple thank you those that died trying to get us off this rock.  I remember when it seemed the entire space program would die its own death, but people like Gene Roddenbery helped to keep the dream alive.  We are back in space, it takes the dreams and sometimes the sadness stay there.  To my friends at NASA who started off by watching Star Trek, here's to creating it.

Lupus  

[SDJASON]

I Blame NASA.. being superstitious myself... why would they launch so close to the challenger incident.... and i believe one other incident occured very close to this time.....Also i believe the problem arose when foam or something caught fire on takeoff....why did no one notice... these men and women died imho from the stupidity and nearsightedness... of course this is all in hindsight....

But being superstitious myself i would never have launched this close to the challenger tragedy's date......


Prayers to all those who died

~Jason

[BaronLupus]

You need to look closer at the budget restictions that have us using a 22 year old antique before casting blame.  Its take the risk or quit trying.  To me this planets best chance for survival is expansion before selfdestruction.  As far as the risk there's a long line of us that would be willing even recognizing that our government other than for launching Military sats treats the space program as a Bread and Circus item.  This will be just one moe excuse to shut it down again.

Lupus

[Pestalence]

Quote:

But being superstitious myself i would never have launched this close to the challenger tragedy's date......

~Jason  

This wasn't a launch, it was a landing or recovery.

 Superstition is classified in the spychiatric relm as being paranoid or delusional.

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I Blame NASA.. being superstitious myself... why would they launch so close to the challenger incident....

~Jason  

Close to the Challenger Incident?

The Challenger incident happened a very long time ago. Challenger STS-51L was lost on January 28, 1986.

Source : http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/chron/sts51-l.htm

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First Shuttle liftoff scheduled from Pad B. Launch set for 3:43 p.m. EST, Jan. 22, slipped to Jan. 23, then Jan. 24, due to delays in Mission 61-C. Launch reset for Jan. 25 because of bad weather at transoceanic abort landing (TAL) site in Dakar, Senegal. To utilize Casablanca (not equipped for night landings) as alternate TAL site, T-zero moved to morning liftoff time. Launch postponed a day when launch processing unable to meet new morning liftoff time. Prediction of unacceptable weather at KSC led to launch rescheduled for 9:37 a.m. EST, Jan. 27. Launch delayed 24 hours again when ground servicing equipment hatch-closing fixture could not be removed from orbiter hatch. Fixture sawed off and attaching bolt drilled out before closeout completed. During delay, cross winds exceeded return-to-launch-site limits at KSC's Shuttle Landing Facility. Launch Jan. 28 delayed two hours when hardware interface module in launch processing system, which monitors fire detection system, failed during liquid hydrogen tanking procedures. Explosion 73 seconds after liftoff claimed crew and vehicle. Shuttle flights halted while extensive investigation into accident and assessment of Shuttle program conducted.

Since then there have been several missions...

Here is theKennedy Space Center listing for the shuttle missions that have launched... Go to the Web site and you can click on any of the below(on the web site) and get the mission overview.

Source : http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/missions.html

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1986-1990
61-C, 51-L
STS-26, STS-27
STS-29, STS-30, STS-28, STS-34, STS-33
STS-32, STS-36, STS-31, STS-41, STS-38, STS-35
1991-1995
STS-37, STS-39, STS-40, STS-43, STS-48, STS-44
STS-42, STS-45, STS-49, STS-50, STS-46, STS-47, STS-52, STS-53
STS-54, STS-56, STS-55, STS-57, STS-51, STS-58, STS-61
STS-60, STS-62, STS-59, STS-65, STS-64, STS-68, STS-66
STS-63, STS-67, STS-71, STS-70, STS-69, STS-73, STS-74

1996-2000
STS-72, STS-75, STS-76, STS-77, STS-78, STS-79, STS-80
STS-81, STS-82, STS-83, STS-84, STS-94, STS-85, STS-86, STS-87
STS-89, STS-90, STS-91, STS-95, STS-88
STS-96, STS-93, STS-103
STS-99, STS-101, STS-106, STS-92, STS-97
2001-2003
STS-98, STS-102, STS-100, STS-104, STS-105, STS-108
STS-109, STS-110, STS-111 , STS-112, STS-113

If you meant the Challenger date launch, just remember that this was a landing and not a lift off... Big difference.

for others :

Columbia was only 17 years old, not 22.. the 22 years old is the age of the Shuttle program itself.


 

[BaronLupus]

You are confusing the 2 posts, The "Columbia" was the oldest one in the fleet I was referring to.  If I'm correct it is also the heaviest and has not had the upgrades such as the others have had.

Lupus

[Pestalence]

Quote:
You are confusing the 2 posts, The "Columbia" was the oldest one in the fleet I was referring to.  If I'm correct it is also the heaviest and has not had the upgrades such as the others have had.

Lupus  

Incorrect... the Enterprise is the Very First Space Shuttle.. it completed several test flight mission before retiring to the Museum

Source : Kennedy Space Center Web Site : http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/enterprise.html

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Enterprise(OV-101)
Background
Enterprise, the first Space Shuttle Orbiter, was originally to be named Constitution (in honor of the U.S. Constitution's Bicentennial). However, viewers of the popular TV Science Fiction show Star Trek started a write-in campaign urging the White House to select the name Enterprise. Designated, OV-101, the vehicle was rolled out of Rockwell's Air Force Plant 42, Site 1 Palmdale California assembly facility on Sept. 17, 1976. On Jan. 31, 1977, it was transported 36 miles overland from Rockwell's assembly facility to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility at Edwards Air Force Base for the approach and landing test program.
The nine-month-long ALT program was conducted from February through November 1977 at the Dryden Flight Research Facility and demonstrated that the orbiter could fly in the atmosphere and land like an airplane, except without power-gliding flight.

Click here for the JSC Shuttle Approach and Landing Test Image server.


Two NASA astronaut crews-Fred Haise and Gordon Fullerton and Joe Engle and Dick Truly-took turns flying the 150,000-pound spacecraft to free-flight landings.

The ALT program involved ground tests and flight tests. The ground tests included taxi tests of the 747 shuttle carrier aircraft with the Enterprise mated atop the SCA to determine structural loads and responses and assess the mated capability in ground handling and control characteristics up to flight takeoff speed. The taxi tests also validated 747 steering and braking with the orbiter attached. A ground test of orbiter systems followed the unmanned captive tests. All orbiter systems were activated as they would be in atmospheric flight. This was the final preparation for the manned captive flight phase.

Five captive flights of the Enterprise mounted atop the SCA with the Enterprise unmanned and Enterprise's systems inert were conducted to assess the structural integrity and performance handling qualities of the mated craft.

Three manned captive flights that followed the five captive flights included an astronaut crew aboard the orbiter operating its flight control systems while the orbiter remained perched atop the SCA. These flights were designed to exercise and evaluate all systems in the flight environment in preparation for the orbiter release (free) flights. They included flutter tests of the mated craft at low and high speed, a separation trajectory test and a dress rehearsal for the first orbiter free flight.

In the five free flights the astronaut crew separated the spacecraft from the SCA and maneuvered to a landing at Edwards Air Force Base. In the first four such flights the landing was on a dry lake bed; in the fifth, the landing was on Edwards' main concrete runway under conditions simulating a return from space. The last two free flights were made without the tail cone, which is the spacecraft's configuration during an actual landing from Earth orbit. These flights verified the orbiter's pilot-guided approach and landing capability; demonstrated the orbiter's subsonic terminal area energy management autoland approach capability; and verified the orbiter's subsonic airworthiness, integrated system operation and selected subsystems in preparation for the first manned orbital flight. The flights demonstrated the orbiter's ability to approach and land safely with a minimum gross weight and using several center-of-gravity configurations.

For all of the captive flights and the first three free flights, the orbiter was outfitted with a tail cone covering its aft section to reduce aerodynamic drag and turbulence. The final two free flights were without the tail cone, and the three simulated space shuttle main engines and two orbital maneuvering system engines were exposed aerodynamically.

The final phase of the ALT program prepared the spacecraft for four ferry flights. Fluid systems were drained and purged, the tail cone was reinstalled, and elevon locks were installed. The forward attachment strut was replaced to lower the orbiter's cant from 6 to 3 degrees. This reduces drag to the mated vehicles during the ferry flights.

After the ferry flight tests, OV-101 was returned to the NASA hangar at the Dryden Flight Research Facility and modified for vertical ground vibration tests at the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala.

On March 13, 1978, the Enterprise was ferried atop the SCA to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, where it was mated with the external tank and solid rocket boosters and subjected to a series of vertical ground vibration tests. These tested the mated configuration's critical structural dynamic response modes, which were assessed against analytical math models used to design the various element interfaces.

These were completed in March 1979. On April 10, 1979, the Enterprise was ferried to the Kennedy Space Center. mated with the external tank and solid rocket boosters and transported via the mobile launcher platform to Launch Complex 39-A. At Launch Complex 39-A, the Enterprise served as a practice and launch complex fit-check verification tool representing the flight vehicles.

It was ferried back to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility on Aug. 16, 1979, and then returned overland to Rockwell's Palmdale final assembly facility on Oct. 30, 1979. Certain components were refurbished for use on flight vehicles being assembled at Palmdale. The Enterprise was then returned overland to the Dryden Flight Research Facility on Sept. 6, 1981.

During May and June of 1983, Enterprise was ferried to the Paris, France, Air Show, as well as to Germany, Italy, England and Canada, and was returned to the Dryden Flight Research Facility.

In the April-October 1984 time period, Enterprise was ferried to Vandenberg Air Force Base in California and to Mobile, Ala. From there it was taken by barge to New Orleans, La., for the United States 1984 World's Fair.

In November 1984 it was ferried to Vandenberg Air Force Base and used as a practice and fit-check verification tool. On May 24, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from Vandenberg Air Force Base to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility.

On Sept. 20, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from Dryden Flight Research Facility to the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. On Nov. 18, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from the Kennedy Space Center to Dulles Airport, Washington, D.C., and became the property of the Smithsonian Institution. The Enterprise was built as a test vehicle and is not equipped for space flight.

Following in the Enterprise's, the orbiter Columbia was created and it became the first Space Shuttle to fly into Earth orbit in 1981. Four sister ships joined the fleet over the next 10 years: Challenger, arriving in 1982 but destroyed four years later; Discovery, 1983; Atlantis, 1985; and Endeavour, built as a replacement for Challenger, 1991.

In the day-to-day world of Shuttle operations and processing, Space Shuttle orbiters go by a more prosaic designation. Enterprise is commonly refered to as OV-101, for Orbiter Vehicle-101.

Upgrades and Features

Construction Milestones
07/26/72 Contract Award
06/04/74 Start structural assembly of Crew Module
08/26/74 Start structural assembly of aft-fuselage
05/23/75 Wings arrive at Palmdale from Grumman
08/24/75 Start of Final Assembly
03/12/75 Completed Final Assembly
09/17/76 Rollout from Palmdale
01/31/77 Overland transport from Palmdale to Edwards
04/10/79 Delivery to Kennedy Space Center

Enterprise's Flights:

Taxi Tests:
1. 02/15/77 (Max speed 89 Mph)
2. 02/15/77 (Max speed 140 Mph)
3. 02/15/77 (Max speed 157 Mph)

Captive-Inactive Flights:
4. 02/18/77
5. 02/22/77
6. 02/25/77
7. 02/28/77
8. 03/02/77

Captive-Active Flights:
09. 06/18/77
10. 06/28/77
11. 07/26/77

Free Flights:
12. 08/12/77
13. 09/13/77
14. 09/23/77
15. 10/12/77
16. 10/26/77

 
Columbia is however the first to reach space in the Shuttle Program

[BaronLupus]

Oldest one "still Flying" until today(no offense to any of the bereaved) As you mention the Enterprise was retired.  Its not a pissing contest I was just trying to clarify that I did not mention the Challenger in my post

[SDJASON]

Based on posts im going to re-clarify myself..... I consider myself superstitious... and attempting anything close to the date of the Challenger disaster seems... wrong to me... kind of like provoking fate... i do not mean the date year... i mean the date as in the anniversary date.... while challenger was a launch.. and Columbia was a landing.... i still believe in superstition.....

Still my prayers go out to the souls on board....

~Jason  

[Pestalence]

On CNN :

Space Shuttle Columbia blew up upon re-entry. 12500 MPH at 200000 ft.

Nasa has confirmed Officially that the shuttle is lost.

There is no word at this moment of any survivors....

Please take a moment of silence for the crew's brave efforts in the space scientific studies which are designed to benifit us all...

I hope that survivors will be found.

Thanks.  

[FatherTed]

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high unsurpassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

[lleggs]

sad

[Hondo_8]

For those brave men and women who have dared to dream, to hold true through dedacation to acheive what so many of us dream. For all those that have gone before in search of the unknown. There is no falure here.  These men and women have achieved a boyhood dream, they have dared to risk fate, and have seen the stars. Such courage as this needs  thought and remberence in hopes that boys and girls will grow with the desire to reach further in the heavens and not let those that have sacrificed gone to waste. Soon we shall be history and those that rember will look upon us as we look upon the ancient explorers. The dream shall never die, it will become reality, and our childrens childrens, childrens will dream new dreams that will make reality, as has the ones that stood before us had dreams we turned into reality.  

[SghnDubh]

In memoriam.

[Hawkeye]

last night i dreamt of the disaster. grandfather warned me and i knew that columbia was lost when the phone rang this morning at 8:30 pst and my friend let me know. our space program hasn't recovered from the last disaster. my heart aches for the families.

grandfather, bless those lost and grant them access the great camp in the sky. we ask that you watch over them and their families in this time of need. i give my blessings of love and peace to those affected and wish nothing but the best for this dire situation.

this shaman's prayers are squarely fixed on columbia and it's crew today

yo-ko hey!

   

[Pestalence]

Quote:
On CNN :

Space Shuttle Columbia blew up upon re-entry. 12500 MPH at 200000 ft.

Nasa has confirmed Officially that the shuttle is lost.

There is no word at this moment of any survivors....

Please take a moment of silence for the crew's brave efforts in the space scientific studies which are designed to benifit us all...

I hope that survivors will be found.

Thanks.  

Update from NASA breifing at 3 PM EST... Nasa has stated that all hands are lost and are expressing condolences to the families of the crew... The official loss altitude and speed are : 207135 ft  travelling at speed approx Mach  18.3. All data on the shuttle that had not been transmitted was lost as well...

I too express my condolences and I am very saddened at this terrible loss of those brave voyagers... may their sacrafice be not in vain.

may we build upont this to increase backup and safety procedures in our space exploration program and to persevere in our efforts to gain knowledge and understanding. May their sacrafice promote a stonger will of the people to continue exploring the final frontier.

My heart and prayers are with the families of the lost.

 

[Lono]

May God rest their souls !

7 more heros leave us, who fought to make this world a better place.

Let their sacrifice stand as a testament to all man can accomplish, through courage and reason and cooperation with his fellow man.

They shall be dearly missed.
 

[Tus]

I pray that the loss of the brave souls will forever be remembered for their explary courage, and that their family may be conforted by the knowledge that they have helped to save other future explorers from the same peril.

I pray that their deaths only help increase our endeavors to explore the unknown and gain knowledge to better mankind

May their souls rest in peace

Tus  

[Tantalus]

There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....  

[FatherTed]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

No disrespect, but sometimes there are more important things in life than a damn game, Tanty. Read this and understand why some of us think that maybe there are exceptions to the O/T rule:

  Nagocdoches Newpaper Confirms Remains Found

[matyoung]

Amen  

[shadow-viper]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

I can't beleave you .This is not off the topic. This is what this game
is based on. We only role play what these brave souls did for real and now gave there lives for so that one day
some thing like star trek will be reallty,So show some respect!!!! If you dont like what being said here then move on.
And agan GOD BLESS THESE BRAVE SOULS AND THERE FAMILYS.    

[DoggieMon]

Quote:
There is an Off Topic forum you know?

No disrespect to those that died....    

Actually I think think although you are right the topic is more than appropriate.  It may be that you're just responsing to the media saturation of the event, I don't know.

However the topic is more than relevant. It is at the very heart of this forum.  SFC 1-3 as well as its insipiration Star Trek was at the core of the reason those seven astronauts died today... Space, the final frontier.  A lot of us are maybe just fans of the vehicles and action sequences of the Trek series or of SFC but the very soul of Star Trek is exploration and using technogy as a tool to better ourselves.  That seems to be the reason for the series longevity.  In fact now that Trek seems to be just another franchise and deviates from its origins the it fares worse, as the recent Nemesis seems to prove. And that was the very reason the crew of the Columbia was out there.

May our prayers be with the souls of those explorers of the final frontier who left this earth today towards the undiscovred country and with the families and friends of the daparted. The whole of humanity will feel the loss of the Columbia and its crew, for the exploration of space is an edeavor for the whole of humanity as the construction of the space station in general and the loss of a multinational crew of astronauts today in particular has shown.

And in the case of these honored posts being deemed as off topic may I just point out the name of the very first space shuttle... Enterprise. May its remaining sister ships find fair weather and good winds.

Thank you for your attention,

Doug  

[Tantalus]

Yes there are more important things to life than a game, but some people do not need to be reminded of something that is being broadcasted on all channels and in all papers.

People who rush to post bad news in as many places as possible should think a little more about the people reading it.

Sometimes it's just more appropriate to keep bad news in it's respective place rather than saturate it all over the place.

I was very very sad to hear about what happened..... I just don't like to see this kind of bad news glorified.  If you have no clue as to what I am talking about... then never mind.  No offence was intended to anyone.  

[BaronLupus]

I'd like to offer a simple thank you those that died trying to get us off this rock.  I remember when it seemed the entire space program would die its own death, but people like Gene Roddenbery helped to keep the dream alive.  We are back in space, it takes the dreams and sometimes the sadness stay there.  To my friends at NASA who started off by watching Star Trek, here's to creating it.

Lupus  

[SDJASON]

I Blame NASA.. being superstitious myself... why would they launch so close to the challenger incident.... and i believe one other incident occured very close to this time.....Also i believe the problem arose when foam or something caught fire on takeoff....why did no one notice... these men and women died imho from the stupidity and nearsightedness... of course this is all in hindsight....

But being superstitious myself i would never have launched this close to the challenger tragedy's date......


Prayers to all those who died

~Jason

[BaronLupus]

You need to look closer at the budget restictions that have us using a 22 year old antique before casting blame.  Its take the risk or quit trying.  To me this planets best chance for survival is expansion before selfdestruction.  As far as the risk there's a long line of us that would be willing even recognizing that our government other than for launching Military sats treats the space program as a Bread and Circus item.  This will be just one moe excuse to shut it down again.

Lupus

[Pestalence]

Quote:

But being superstitious myself i would never have launched this close to the challenger tragedy's date......

~Jason  

This wasn't a launch, it was a landing or recovery.

 Superstition is classified in the spychiatric relm as being paranoid or delusional.

Quote:
I Blame NASA.. being superstitious myself... why would they launch so close to the challenger incident....

~Jason  

Close to the Challenger Incident?

The Challenger incident happened a very long time ago. Challenger STS-51L was lost on January 28, 1986.

Source : http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/chron/sts51-l.htm

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First Shuttle liftoff scheduled from Pad B. Launch set for 3:43 p.m. EST, Jan. 22, slipped to Jan. 23, then Jan. 24, due to delays in Mission 61-C. Launch reset for Jan. 25 because of bad weather at transoceanic abort landing (TAL) site in Dakar, Senegal. To utilize Casablanca (not equipped for night landings) as alternate TAL site, T-zero moved to morning liftoff time. Launch postponed a day when launch processing unable to meet new morning liftoff time. Prediction of unacceptable weather at KSC led to launch rescheduled for 9:37 a.m. EST, Jan. 27. Launch delayed 24 hours again when ground servicing equipment hatch-closing fixture could not be removed from orbiter hatch. Fixture sawed off and attaching bolt drilled out before closeout completed. During delay, cross winds exceeded return-to-launch-site limits at KSC's Shuttle Landing Facility. Launch Jan. 28 delayed two hours when hardware interface module in launch processing system, which monitors fire detection system, failed during liquid hydrogen tanking procedures. Explosion 73 seconds after liftoff claimed crew and vehicle. Shuttle flights halted while extensive investigation into accident and assessment of Shuttle program conducted.

Since then there have been several missions...

Here is theKennedy Space Center listing for the shuttle missions that have launched... Go to the Web site and you can click on any of the below(on the web site) and get the mission overview.

Source : http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/missions.html

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1986-1990
61-C, 51-L
STS-26, STS-27
STS-29, STS-30, STS-28, STS-34, STS-33
STS-32, STS-36, STS-31, STS-41, STS-38, STS-35
1991-1995
STS-37, STS-39, STS-40, STS-43, STS-48, STS-44
STS-42, STS-45, STS-49, STS-50, STS-46, STS-47, STS-52, STS-53
STS-54, STS-56, STS-55, STS-57, STS-51, STS-58, STS-61
STS-60, STS-62, STS-59, STS-65, STS-64, STS-68, STS-66
STS-63, STS-67, STS-71, STS-70, STS-69, STS-73, STS-74

1996-2000
STS-72, STS-75, STS-76, STS-77, STS-78, STS-79, STS-80
STS-81, STS-82, STS-83, STS-84, STS-94, STS-85, STS-86, STS-87
STS-89, STS-90, STS-91, STS-95, STS-88
STS-96, STS-93, STS-103
STS-99, STS-101, STS-106, STS-92, STS-97
2001-2003
STS-98, STS-102, STS-100, STS-104, STS-105, STS-108
STS-109, STS-110, STS-111 , STS-112, STS-113

If you meant the Challenger date launch, just remember that this was a landing and not a lift off... Big difference.

for others :

Columbia was only 17 years old, not 22.. the 22 years old is the age of the Shuttle program itself.


 

[BaronLupus]

You are confusing the 2 posts, The "Columbia" was the oldest one in the fleet I was referring to.  If I'm correct it is also the heaviest and has not had the upgrades such as the others have had.

Lupus

[Pestalence]

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You are confusing the 2 posts, The "Columbia" was the oldest one in the fleet I was referring to.  If I'm correct it is also the heaviest and has not had the upgrades such as the others have had.

Lupus  

Incorrect... the Enterprise is the Very First Space Shuttle.. it completed several test flight mission before retiring to the Museum

Source : Kennedy Space Center Web Site : http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/enterprise.html

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Enterprise(OV-101)
Background
Enterprise, the first Space Shuttle Orbiter, was originally to be named Constitution (in honor of the U.S. Constitution's Bicentennial). However, viewers of the popular TV Science Fiction show Star Trek started a write-in campaign urging the White House to select the name Enterprise. Designated, OV-101, the vehicle was rolled out of Rockwell's Air Force Plant 42, Site 1 Palmdale California assembly facility on Sept. 17, 1976. On Jan. 31, 1977, it was transported 36 miles overland from Rockwell's assembly facility to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility at Edwards Air Force Base for the approach and landing test program.
The nine-month-long ALT program was conducted from February through November 1977 at the Dryden Flight Research Facility and demonstrated that the orbiter could fly in the atmosphere and land like an airplane, except without power-gliding flight.

Click here for the JSC Shuttle Approach and Landing Test Image server.


Two NASA astronaut crews-Fred Haise and Gordon Fullerton and Joe Engle and Dick Truly-took turns flying the 150,000-pound spacecraft to free-flight landings.

The ALT program involved ground tests and flight tests. The ground tests included taxi tests of the 747 shuttle carrier aircraft with the Enterprise mated atop the SCA to determine structural loads and responses and assess the mated capability in ground handling and control characteristics up to flight takeoff speed. The taxi tests also validated 747 steering and braking with the orbiter attached. A ground test of orbiter systems followed the unmanned captive tests. All orbiter systems were activated as they would be in atmospheric flight. This was the final preparation for the manned captive flight phase.

Five captive flights of the Enterprise mounted atop the SCA with the Enterprise unmanned and Enterprise's systems inert were conducted to assess the structural integrity and performance handling qualities of the mated craft.

Three manned captive flights that followed the five captive flights included an astronaut crew aboard the orbiter operating its flight control systems while the orbiter remained perched atop the SCA. These flights were designed to exercise and evaluate all systems in the flight environment in preparation for the orbiter release (free) flights. They included flutter tests of the mated craft at low and high speed, a separation trajectory test and a dress rehearsal for the first orbiter free flight.

In the five free flights the astronaut crew separated the spacecraft from the SCA and maneuvered to a landing at Edwards Air Force Base. In the first four such flights the landing was on a dry lake bed; in the fifth, the landing was on Edwards' main concrete runway under conditions simulating a return from space. The last two free flights were made without the tail cone, which is the spacecraft's configuration during an actual landing from Earth orbit. These flights verified the orbiter's pilot-guided approach and landing capability; demonstrated the orbiter's subsonic terminal area energy management autoland approach capability; and verified the orbiter's subsonic airworthiness, integrated system operation and selected subsystems in preparation for the first manned orbital flight. The flights demonstrated the orbiter's ability to approach and land safely with a minimum gross weight and using several center-of-gravity configurations.

For all of the captive flights and the first three free flights, the orbiter was outfitted with a tail cone covering its aft section to reduce aerodynamic drag and turbulence. The final two free flights were without the tail cone, and the three simulated space shuttle main engines and two orbital maneuvering system engines were exposed aerodynamically.

The final phase of the ALT program prepared the spacecraft for four ferry flights. Fluid systems were drained and purged, the tail cone was reinstalled, and elevon locks were installed. The forward attachment strut was replaced to lower the orbiter's cant from 6 to 3 degrees. This reduces drag to the mated vehicles during the ferry flights.

After the ferry flight tests, OV-101 was returned to the NASA hangar at the Dryden Flight Research Facility and modified for vertical ground vibration tests at the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala.

On March 13, 1978, the Enterprise was ferried atop the SCA to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, where it was mated with the external tank and solid rocket boosters and subjected to a series of vertical ground vibration tests. These tested the mated configuration's critical structural dynamic response modes, which were assessed against analytical math models used to design the various element interfaces.

These were completed in March 1979. On April 10, 1979, the Enterprise was ferried to the Kennedy Space Center. mated with the external tank and solid rocket boosters and transported via the mobile launcher platform to Launch Complex 39-A. At Launch Complex 39-A, the Enterprise served as a practice and launch complex fit-check verification tool representing the flight vehicles.

It was ferried back to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility on Aug. 16, 1979, and then returned overland to Rockwell's Palmdale final assembly facility on Oct. 30, 1979. Certain components were refurbished for use on flight vehicles being assembled at Palmdale. The Enterprise was then returned overland to the Dryden Flight Research Facility on Sept. 6, 1981.

During May and June of 1983, Enterprise was ferried to the Paris, France, Air Show, as well as to Germany, Italy, England and Canada, and was returned to the Dryden Flight Research Facility.

In the April-October 1984 time period, Enterprise was ferried to Vandenberg Air Force Base in California and to Mobile, Ala. From there it was taken by barge to New Orleans, La., for the United States 1984 World's Fair.

In November 1984 it was ferried to Vandenberg Air Force Base and used as a practice and fit-check verification tool. On May 24, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from Vandenberg Air Force Base to NASA's Dryden Flight Research Facility.

On Sept. 20, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from Dryden Flight Research Facility to the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. On Nov. 18, 1985, Enterprise was ferried from the Kennedy Space Center to Dulles Airport, Washington, D.C., and became the property of the Smithsonian Institution. The Enterprise was built as a test vehicle and is not equipped for space flight.

Following in the Enterprise's, the orbiter Columbia was created and it became the first Space Shuttle to fly into Earth orbit in 1981. Four sister ships joined the fleet over the next 10 years: Challenger, arriving in 1982 but destroyed four years later; Discovery, 1983; Atlantis, 1985; and Endeavour, built as a replacement for Challenger, 1991.

In the day-to-day world of Shuttle operations and processing, Space Shuttle orbiters go by a more prosaic designation. Enterprise is commonly refered to as OV-101, for Orbiter Vehicle-101.

Upgrades and Features

Construction Milestones
07/26/72 Contract Award
06/04/74 Start structural assembly of Crew Module
08/26/74 Start structural assembly of aft-fuselage
05/23/75 Wings arrive at Palmdale from Grumman
08/24/75 Start of Final Assembly
03/12/75 Completed Final Assembly
09/17/76 Rollout from Palmdale
01/31/77 Overland transport from Palmdale to Edwards
04/10/79 Delivery to Kennedy Space Center

Enterprise's Flights:

Taxi Tests:
1. 02/15/77 (Max speed 89 Mph)
2. 02/15/77 (Max speed 140 Mph)
3. 02/15/77 (Max speed 157 Mph)

Captive-Inactive Flights:
4. 02/18/77
5. 02/22/77
6. 02/25/77
7. 02/28/77
8. 03/02/77

Captive-Active Flights:
09. 06/18/77
10. 06/28/77
11. 07/26/77

Free Flights:
12. 08/12/77
13. 09/13/77
14. 09/23/77
15. 10/12/77
16. 10/26/77

 
Columbia is however the first to reach space in the Shuttle Program

[BaronLupus]

Oldest one "still Flying" until today(no offense to any of the bereaved) As you mention the Enterprise was retired.  Its not a pissing contest I was just trying to clarify that I did not mention the Challenger in my post

[SDJASON]

Based on posts im going to re-clarify myself..... I consider myself superstitious... and attempting anything close to the date of the Challenger disaster seems... wrong to me... kind of like provoking fate... i do not mean the date year... i mean the date as in the anniversary date.... while challenger was a launch.. and Columbia was a landing.... i still believe in superstition.....

Still my prayers go out to the souls on board....

~Jason