Topic: SFC2 Tactical Question: How do I Beat the R-KHK as a Fed? (Read 5953 times)

mdutr0 · « **on:** February 01, 2003, 01:52:40 am »

Yo -

So, I hate to admit this, as long as I've been around here and all, and it is rather embarrassing, but I can't seem to beat the KHK on Admiral skill level as a Fed. Hell, I'm not even sure which ship is best to fly against one.

You might be asking yourself how it is that I do not know how to do this, especially against the A.I. but the answer is simple: I hardly ever play Fed. I'm mostly a Hydran (with a little bit of Gorn for flavor) pilot and I can beat a KHK on Admiral with an Early-Era Lord Commander (no hellbores on this baby, just 6 fusions and a few phasors, the old-fashioned way) with both eyes closed, one hand behind my back, and no keyboard. I am somewhat less proficient with the Gorn, but can still get the job done with minimal casualties in a BCH.

Anyway.

So how do I beat this thing as a Fed? Which ship should I use? Should I go carrier or non-carrier? Drone boat or not? Any advice would be appreciated since I spent the afternoon having the computer hand me my butt on a platter. The only time I won was just barely. I mean I think I had one or two functional phasors left. So lend a hand please, and support your local fart-breather who wants to play at being Kirk for a while!

Thanks in advance.

Micah

Bob Graham · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:24:35 am »

Its pretty simple really. 3 F-BB will usualy take a KHK down while only loosing 2 of your ships...

j/k A good pilot *COUGH*FJ*COUGH* can probably take one down in any of our battlecrusers (BCE excepted). Average joe is probably going to need at least a DNG vs Good human opponant. You should be able to take the computer even on Admiral with any of the fed BCs. Being Hydran, you may prefer the fighter aporach, I suggest either Vulture or Raven III's on your BCV. BCF is the prefered non-fighter varient due to its vast armory of death. Also remember to keep your speed up to drag out their plasma, and watch your EM shift, never fire photons with anything but a 0 shift.

Laflin · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:43:13 am »

If you want the easy way a NCD will take out an AI KHK in a coupla minutes - same as always against ai plasma - high speed and close after they fire for killing blows.

EagleEye · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2003, 03:11:00 am »

I really hate to be negitive, but I must disagree all across the board. Having been they guy flying the mad uber, pie chucking, everything charging at speed 31 with a 2 point shift and a rienforced shield ship (A.K.A the R-KHK), I must say I used to be able to eat anything less than a K-B11K for breakfast. 2 BCH would be a fun time, but 1 would usually end in key marks on my face (From sleeping on the keyboard, you understand).

Now, I must say the F-DNH would be a good match for the R-KHK. The DNH is a tough ship, and even I in my "Ship O' Infanate power" would need to think twice about really taking it on.

****Tactics*****
Toss whatever you can over your shoulder. If you show this ship your nose at range 20-, your a dead man. Use photons on proxy from range 30, while plinking with phasers, and pray to god you can turn before he can close the gap. Cook up wild weasles. Start cooking at match start, and dont stop till your out of shutles. Keep at least four spare parts in researve for your shuttle bay. Never let your speed fall below 25 (Unless you plan to pull a kirk with a WW). Above all, beyond everything.......

dont get blowed up

.

Good luck, and god speed.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2003, 05:24:16 am »

Just head right towards him, emergency decelerate at 10-15, drop a weasel, he'll fire his plasma but they'll go after the weasel, when he flies over you do an HET if you need to, and torpedo and phaser and transporter raid his ass off. Rinse and repeat.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2003, 05:35:45 am »

But what happens if he fires a couple o' fake blasts...you know, them things that will fool ya into thinkin' he already fired?

Personally I have no clue how to fly a fed against a romulan. I fly Romulan typically. No advice to give here, except that Eagle Eye is to be tried before the Tal Shiar for tyranny...

Just J/K ing. he has some pretty good advice there from what I see.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2003, 06:41:45 am »

Good point, but if he's only flying against the AI, I don't think I have ever seen the AI use a Pseudo-Plasma, especially that cleverly.

JayBee · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2003, 07:44:29 am »

DNH

Grab the rom and KILL HIM.

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2003, 10:57:26 am »

Against an AI run KHK... yeah, any drone ship will do DE, NCD(+), NEC, CAD (and refits)... Non-droner ship.... NCC, CB, then any BC and higher will do it with some patience.

Corbomite · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:19:54 pm »

LOL. I'll kill an AI KHK with a CLC and not even take an internal. Just phaser boat it and use WW wisely. If it uses a pseudo just watch the shuttle to see if it really gets destroyed. If it doesn't, don't go over speed 4 while the WW is active and charge another. It will be ready before the first expires. Set up your shot and launch another WW right after the shot.

Whiplash · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2003, 11:04:48 pm »

I don't know the Fed ships, being primarily Klingon, but if you pick a ship with maximum ph-1s, especially those that can fire the most to the sides, you should be able to win. Turn off your photons. Run at 31 with whatever mix of EW and rear shield reinforcement you like. You ought to be able to win.

Against a human its a tough fight. Its easy, but tedious, against AI.

W.

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2003, 11:47:54 pm »

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BCF is the prefered non-fighter varient due to its vast armory of death.

We Rommies use the BCF for comic relief. It's an NCC with a pair of baby plasmas; and Plas-Fs are not gonna scare a Rom that never needs to slow down (esp. with your typical Federation player using them :P ). Use the BCG.

The KHKs weakness is that those heavy plasmas are limited to the FH & FA arcs (that's why so many of us prefer the Kestral hulls). If you stay behind his beam, all he's got is the Fs and phasers. Keep it in the RA, and all you face is the Fs, 1 Ph-1 & 4 Ph-3s. Get in behind him, and use the drones to herd him. Don't bother tring to score a hit with them, just keep him from turning around (as a bonus, this will screw the AIs power management during torp re-load, as it always has the phaser slider maxxed). While your on his '6, use proxie photons to wear at his rear shields. Keep the phasers in reserve to free power for the proxies, and to give him a reason not to try closing the gap. The KHK may have the firepower of a light DN, but it falls apart after a few internals. If he does turn around, anchor him and drop the scatter pack.

Don't forget to line up your H&R teams on those heavy plasmas. Nothing quite as frustrating as loosing a loaded torp to a well placed H&R.

Sartonius · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2003, 04:37:34 am »

AI can be fooled.

People less so.

Guys that fly drone ships think they're invincible against a ship with lots of plasma to charge, but that's not really true. Avoid using "non wartime optimized" ships like the NCM or BCE or you'll find your proxies don't do enough damage, especially with the fire spread between fore and aft. (Vs. Klingons on the other hand is another story.)

Now, that said, if it was me, due to the KHK's lack of the excessive D plasmas found on the KCR fly a BCV, and use light fighters, then try to pick him apart at range. Proxy photorps followed by bombardments, keeping speed up. Your fighters's G phasers and mini-drones may give you just enough opportunity to get some good punches in. However, the KHK has superior turning arcs to any Federation CC or BC series ship so staying behind them is risky at best, and an experience player will probably find a way to make you eat plasma that way.

I'd also like to point out that just because you hit and run a plasma hardpoint doesn't mean it stops working. If your R tube is fully charged, and it winks out, there's a short window of opportunity where you can still fire the torpedo! So don't pull a frontal if you just ran a hit and run on their heavy weapons because they might still fire at you.

Cleaven · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2003, 05:40:46 am »

All this trouble over an AI? It shouldn't matter if the AI has a KHK or PRA, you should soon come to terms with fighting AI at one or two hull sizes higher than your own. All the AI can be sucker punched, and the Romulan is easier than some because they will cloak. Of course you need to learn what the Fed sucker punch is. Can I recommend watching a couple of episodes of The Three Stooges.

theRomulan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2003, 11:47:45 am »

Well, here's another question. It seems that the tactics being given here for Fed versus Rom KHK is this:

turn off photons, keep range, phaser boat, use weasel's.

Heck, every stradegy I ever see for a Fed in SFC2 is this:

turn off your photons... etc. etc.

What is the points of photons in the first place then? I love flying fed in SFC2, I'm just wondering if their are any "when to use the photon" thread, or if anyone who flies fed for a 'living' has anything to say about the only heavy weapon in this game that everyone constantly says to turn off. I know you gotta turn it off to save power a lot, but every stradegy post I've ever seen usually consisted of the 'ditch the photons till their almost dead' message.

Mog · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2003, 04:11:24 pm »

Fighting plasma (and drone ships with fast drones) is a high speed battle. Heavy weapons are turned off in favour of freeing up power to recharge the best weapon in the game - ph1s. I will turn off some or all disruptors, fusions etc in whichever race I'm playing at the time. In fact, I will virtually always turn half of my disruptors off when fighting non-plasma/fast drones, as I can then overload my remaining half making them more accurate.

mdutr0 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2003, 01:52:40 am »

Yo -

So, I hate to admit this, as long as I've been around here and all, and it is rather embarrassing, but I can't seem to beat the KHK on Admiral skill level as a Fed. Hell, I'm not even sure which ship is best to fly against one.

You might be asking yourself how it is that I do not know how to do this, especially against the A.I. but the answer is simple: I hardly ever play Fed. I'm mostly a Hydran (with a little bit of Gorn for flavor) pilot and I can beat a KHK on Admiral with an Early-Era Lord Commander (no hellbores on this baby, just 6 fusions and a few phasors, the old-fashioned way) with both eyes closed, one hand behind my back, and no keyboard. I am somewhat less proficient with the Gorn, but can still get the job done with minimal casualties in a BCH.

Anyway.

So how do I beat this thing as a Fed? Which ship should I use? Should I go carrier or non-carrier? Drone boat or not? Any advice would be appreciated since I spent the afternoon having the computer hand me my butt on a platter. The only time I won was just barely. I mean I think I had one or two functional phasors left. So lend a hand please, and support your local fart-breather who wants to play at being Kirk for a while!

Thanks in advance.

Micah

Bob Graham · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:24:35 am »

Its pretty simple really. 3 F-BB will usualy take a KHK down while only loosing 2 of your ships...

j/k A good pilot *COUGH*FJ*COUGH* can probably take one down in any of our battlecrusers (BCE excepted). Average joe is probably going to need at least a DNG vs Good human opponant. You should be able to take the computer even on Admiral with any of the fed BCs. Being Hydran, you may prefer the fighter aporach, I suggest either Vulture or Raven III's on your BCV. BCF is the prefered non-fighter varient due to its vast armory of death. Also remember to keep your speed up to drag out their plasma, and watch your EM shift, never fire photons with anything but a 0 shift.

Laflin · « **Reply #19 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:43:13 am »

If you want the easy way a NCD will take out an AI KHK in a coupla minutes - same as always against ai plasma - high speed and close after they fire for killing blows.

EagleEye · « **Reply #20 on:** February 01, 2003, 03:11:00 am »

I really hate to be negitive, but I must disagree all across the board. Having been they guy flying the mad uber, pie chucking, everything charging at speed 31 with a 2 point shift and a rienforced shield ship (A.K.A the R-KHK), I must say I used to be able to eat anything less than a K-B11K for breakfast. 2 BCH would be a fun time, but 1 would usually end in key marks on my face (From sleeping on the keyboard, you understand).

Now, I must say the F-DNH would be a good match for the R-KHK. The DNH is a tough ship, and even I in my "Ship O' Infanate power" would need to think twice about really taking it on.

****Tactics*****
Toss whatever you can over your shoulder. If you show this ship your nose at range 20-, your a dead man. Use photons on proxy from range 30, while plinking with phasers, and pray to god you can turn before he can close the gap. Cook up wild weasles. Start cooking at match start, and dont stop till your out of shutles. Keep at least four spare parts in researve for your shuttle bay. Never let your speed fall below 25 (Unless you plan to pull a kirk with a WW). Above all, beyond everything.......

dont get blowed up

.

Good luck, and god speed.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #21 on:** February 01, 2003, 05:24:16 am »

Just head right towards him, emergency decelerate at 10-15, drop a weasel, he'll fire his plasma but they'll go after the weasel, when he flies over you do an HET if you need to, and torpedo and phaser and transporter raid his ass off. Rinse and repeat.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2003, 05:35:45 am »

But what happens if he fires a couple o' fake blasts...you know, them things that will fool ya into thinkin' he already fired?

Personally I have no clue how to fly a fed against a romulan. I fly Romulan typically. No advice to give here, except that Eagle Eye is to be tried before the Tal Shiar for tyranny...

Just J/K ing. he has some pretty good advice there from what I see.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2003, 06:41:45 am »

Good point, but if he's only flying against the AI, I don't think I have ever seen the AI use a Pseudo-Plasma, especially that cleverly.

JayBee · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2003, 07:44:29 am »

DNH

Grab the rom and KILL HIM.

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2003, 10:57:26 am »

Against an AI run KHK... yeah, any drone ship will do DE, NCD(+), NEC, CAD (and refits)... Non-droner ship.... NCC, CB, then any BC and higher will do it with some patience.

Corbomite · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:19:54 pm »

LOL. I'll kill an AI KHK with a CLC and not even take an internal. Just phaser boat it and use WW wisely. If it uses a pseudo just watch the shuttle to see if it really gets destroyed. If it doesn't, don't go over speed 4 while the WW is active and charge another. It will be ready before the first expires. Set up your shot and launch another WW right after the shot.

Whiplash · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2003, 11:04:48 pm »

I don't know the Fed ships, being primarily Klingon, but if you pick a ship with maximum ph-1s, especially those that can fire the most to the sides, you should be able to win. Turn off your photons. Run at 31 with whatever mix of EW and rear shield reinforcement you like. You ought to be able to win.

Against a human its a tough fight. Its easy, but tedious, against AI.

W.

Sartonius · « **Reply #30 on:** February 02, 2003, 04:37:34 am »

AI can be fooled.

People less so.

Guys that fly drone ships think they're invincible against a ship with lots of plasma to charge, but that's not really true. Avoid using "non wartime optimized" ships like the NCM or BCE or you'll find your proxies don't do enough damage, especially with the fire spread between fore and aft. (Vs. Klingons on the other hand is another story.)

Now, that said, if it was me, due to the KHK's lack of the excessive D plasmas found on the KCR fly a BCV, and use light fighters, then try to pick him apart at range. Proxy photorps followed by bombardments, keeping speed up. Your fighters's G phasers and mini-drones may give you just enough opportunity to get some good punches in. However, the KHK has superior turning arcs to any Federation CC or BC series ship so staying behind them is risky at best, and an experience player will probably find a way to make you eat plasma that way.

I'd also like to point out that just because you hit and run a plasma hardpoint doesn't mean it stops working. If your R tube is fully charged, and it winks out, there's a short window of opportunity where you can still fire the torpedo! So don't pull a frontal if you just ran a hit and run on their heavy weapons because they might still fire at you.

Cleaven · « **Reply #31 on:** February 02, 2003, 05:40:46 am »

All this trouble over an AI? It shouldn't matter if the AI has a KHK or PRA, you should soon come to terms with fighting AI at one or two hull sizes higher than your own. All the AI can be sucker punched, and the Romulan is easier than some because they will cloak. Of course you need to learn what the Fed sucker punch is. Can I recommend watching a couple of episodes of The Three Stooges.

theRomulan · « **Reply #32 on:** February 02, 2003, 11:47:45 am »

Well, here's another question. It seems that the tactics being given here for Fed versus Rom KHK is this:

turn off photons, keep range, phaser boat, use weasel's.

Heck, every stradegy I ever see for a Fed in SFC2 is this:

turn off your photons... etc. etc.

What is the points of photons in the first place then? I love flying fed in SFC2, I'm just wondering if their are any "when to use the photon" thread, or if anyone who flies fed for a 'living' has anything to say about the only heavy weapon in this game that everyone constantly says to turn off. I know you gotta turn it off to save power a lot, but every stradegy post I've ever seen usually consisted of the 'ditch the photons till their almost dead' message.

Mog · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2003, 04:11:24 pm »

Fighting plasma (and drone ships with fast drones) is a high speed battle. Heavy weapons are turned off in favour of freeing up power to recharge the best weapon in the game - ph1s. I will turn off some or all disruptors, fusions etc in whichever race I'm playing at the time. In fact, I will virtually always turn half of my disruptors off when fighting non-plasma/fast drones, as I can then overload my remaining half making them more accurate.

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JayBee

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Sartonius

Cleaven

theRomulan

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Dash Jones

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