Topic: Gamespot Editor's SFC1 Comment (Read 6771 times)

NannerSlug · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2003, 11:34:46 pm »

hyper - that is another, but seperate issue from where i am coming from. i know that there are people who want that particular expansion set for the sfc2 based engine.. should they be able to get that? sure i would simply because i think some people would have a good time with it. however, that does not mean that people should try and deligitimize and demean sfc3 in the mean time. sfc3 is exactly that, sfc3. plain and simple.

i would have loved a lot more things in sfc3 (like say more ships like in tnz).. i would love to have seen a more indepth bridge commander with its 3d combat.. (its multiplayer rocked when you got into squadron fights and could warp from system to system) i would have loved to have seen a marathon 4 instead of halo.. (dont get me wrong, halo rocks - but its not marathon) i am still waiting for a multiera star trek game.. sfc3 came darn close to being a perfect game for me.. if we can ever get a first year available and last year availble setting for it, ill be home free with the TNZ and DW mods.. thats all i need!

simply put.. history is repleat with many of us not getting things we want.. busines is business.. that doesnt make it right or wrong - and i know some folks were disappointed - but in the same breath that doesnt give people the right to start a tar and feather session.. im not sure who said it, but some one mentioned to me that the bulk of the sfc3 community doesnt even come to the taldren forums - i dont blame them in a way.. i really wish people could just bond the wounds and support each other on issues. that is not a joke either.

right now, whether folks like to admit it or not, the lack of official support for sfc3 and no demo are the primary sources of grief.. and will probably ultimately hurt things.. but on the other hand, i thought of this.. can you imagine the elite force 2 folk?

Toasty0 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2003, 02:09:52 am »

In my opine Taldren tried like hell to make SFC:TNG, but some folks who had no clue used their positon to force the making of SFC:FPS (read: First Person Shooter). They simply failed to grasp the core concepts behind Trek's Trek-Space-Naval-Sim organic (if I can be so bold as to call it that).

In many ways, if you just change the SFC3 models from ships to figures what you have is a FPS game. I'm not bagging on SFC3. It's a fun, entertaining, exciting game. But, imho, it is the models only in this instance that make it a SFC universe and not the game play.

Of course I could be wrong.

Best,
Jerry

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2003, 10:50:49 am »

Nanner: the energizer bunny of the SFC world. Or is it the titanic band of the SFC world?

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 04, 2003, 11:10:33 am »

This has become tiresome.

3dot14 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2003, 06:10:15 pm »

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here is another example.. which is better.. counter strike or rainbow 6.. battlefield 1942 or medal of honor.. its all about opinion, pi.

Sigh, you just don't let go do you?

I agree it's a matter of opinion...

But. What is Battlefield 1942 is actually named "Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Battlefield 1942" What would you think? They are both FPS, both set in WWII... Sure the gameplay appear different, but no body would mind.

IMHO, this is what happened to SFC.

And also, you don't know what the "real SFC3" is, from the message you keep repeating. GaW (in the folklore realm) is plenty different than EAW (more so than EAW to SFC1) featuring trully alien races (unlike ISC which is just beefed up) and real electronic warfare. (battle of the minds, not just the swords) Powerful storyline. (if correctly written.)

I was hoping a calmer reaction than I got. But instead I received a "terms of surrender" post (to put it melodramatically.) Seems my offer of truce is futile, and the debate rages on...

This has indeed become tiresome, since neither side is willing to budge from the key view points...

But we do agree on one thing:
We both hope for the speedy delivery of patches to (in no particular order) OP and SFC3.

hobbesmaster · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2003, 05:32:19 pm »

Hmmm, how many years have threads just like this occured for?

Wolf2525 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2003, 09:45:10 pm »

I like SFC 3, despite it's numerous annoying bugs. It's a much more fast paced game, with far less micro managing to worry about. I enjoy the era it takes place in quite a bit. I'll continue to play it, especially when the new patch comes out, fixing those annoying bugs.

But what really attracted me to the SFC series was it's focus on the SFB ruleset. Heck, I've never really played a single game of SFB, despite owning a 1979 Designer's Edition of the game. But that was due to the fact there just wasn't anyone I knew who played the game in my area. I now own a more recent Captain's Edition of the game, regardless of the fact I still don't have many gamers in the area. But, this game gave me the chance to play with anyone across the world.

Granted, I don't play online much, and in fact, I'd probably have my butt handed to me by just about anyone, but I want to do it just because it sticks to the original rules. I can do slightly better in SFC 3 where I have less to worry about, but that's not what I want. I'm still longing to get into one of the major serversfor SFC 3, such as TNZ(But I can't at this time since I tend to stick to Fed no matter what I'm playing, and it's currently full, lolol), but I still tend to lean towards the more true to the original controls. I'll get nuked beyond recoginition a few zillion times in the older games, but I'll still have a big flogging smile on my face when I do it.

I guess when push comes to shove, I really do understand that the new game does appeal to a broader audience with it's simplified interface, and how that is important. I just wish there was the original interface as well for us old farts...

<Edit>
Hehe, I can remember the first time I sat in front of my dad's computer, and decided to give SFC 1 a shot. I hadn't bought it yet myself, but thought "Hey! This looks cool." as I was babysitting the dogs. Not 24 hours had passed before I made a beeline for the software store and picked up SFC II, EAW. I was so hooked, I couldn't see straight. I spent hour upon hour playing until my eyes were beginning to melt from the electromagnetic radiation from my monitor. The only interruption was the birth of my son(Pretty scary, I should probably get out a bit more, lol). Took a break for while, bought SFC3, and that really started me going back into SFCII. But I still enjoy SFC3, regardless.

And, yet, with all those hours of playing, I stink at it more than anyone has stunk before... Go figure, eh?

Mr. Hypergol · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2003, 07:41:55 pm »

Check out the middle of this page:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/index.html

Interesting to see someone complement SFC1 again. Must be why everyone is still playing SFC1/2. Maybe what Trek gaming needs now is Galaxies at War!!!

Now that Activision is out of the way.....maybe the chances got a little better.

3dot14 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2003, 09:25:42 pm »

hear hear!

NannerSlug · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2003, 09:52:31 pm »

check your numbers hyper.. while there might be more gsa players for sfc.. there are by far more people playing d3 than any of the d2/op.. even during the sg3 campaign. different games, different focuses. activision leaving was a BAD thing in that i doubt anyone will pick up or try to sign a contract with paramount. i might be wrong.. lets hope i am wrong.. but for me, any way you cut it its bad.

for what its worth.. NONE of the sfc products have equaled or suppassed sfc1. yes, i like and still play sfc2/op.. but at the same time, i am not as narrow minded as to say that 2/op is better.. its different. i like both quite a bit actually.

Tulmahk · « **Reply #31 on:** July 03, 2003, 03:29:52 am »

The hatred of the Starfleet Battles Old Guard finally turned in on itself, and was directed at the latest offering in the SFC line. The line they supposedly loved so much. This led to lower-than-expected sales.

Congratulations SBOG! You've contributed to the end of the SFC line.

So go right ahead and keep playing SFC1, waiting for the second coming in the form of GaW.

Too bad it isn't going to happen.

What the next Star Trek starship combat sim is going to need is a new producer and a new developer.

Sten · « **Reply #34 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:52:16 am »

Damn I knew I shouldn't have bought 2 copies of SFC3. Had I known buying this game would destroy the SFC franchise I would have passed on SFC3.

I prefer SFC1, EAW, and OP to SFC3.

Guess what my 12 year old daughter does also. She thinks the game is to easy. She only played it on D3. The only thing she wants to see from SFC3 in OP is Romulans with a real cloak. <crossed fingers>

Oh and the ability for us both to get online together and fly as a team like we can with SFC3, and thats the only selling point for me about SFC3. I can play on a D3 with only 1 IP.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #35 on:** July 03, 2003, 10:28:43 am »

Tulmahk, relax.. people on both sides need to move away from being grumpy at each other.

sfc1 was an excellent game - and was a unique ground breaking trek game. people played it and liked it. however, the numbers for 2 and op were not as much. we dont know the numbers for 3, but we can assume that it was not what they expected or planned. however, i can tell you that it did reach a new crowd and recieved the best ratings in a long time.. BUT THERE WAS NO DEMO.. nor was there any sort of official patch to rectify much needed fixes.

to me, i am really tired of seeing the split in the community.. but it will probably always be there unfortunately.

anyhow.. best thing to do is just let it go and see what happens. whether people like it or not, though, activision was a good thing that happened to the sfc series in that they at very least invested money into the project. had they not - things would be considerably more bleak than they are now.

IndyShark · « **Reply #38 on:** July 03, 2003, 03:52:30 pm »

I bought SFC3 and enjoyed it for a month or so.

I bought SFC2/OP and LOVED it for a year or two.

I bought SFC1 and played it for six months or so.

Please, God let there be a SFC4 based on SFC2 or OP!!!! Forget what I said about Christy Brinkley! I really want this and my wife would be upset if I started playing with Christy....!

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