Topic: SFCIII is too freakin hard!  (Read 11525 times)

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Harold Nez

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2003, 01:22:33 am »
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 I saw that SFCIII still had the Excelsior class ship I almost pissed my paints!



Ya, me too.  But, I don't dream of being second-fiddle Sulu.   Whenever I see a Star Trek ship game in stores, the odds are against me and the situation is grim, I'm on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise...I am Captain Kirk, THE Federation captain.  I shout at the comms station, "Mr. Scott we need warp drive in 5 minutes...or we're all dead."  I see Mr. Spock at science station.  I see McCoy entering the bridge with a witty retort about captains.  I stand up, put my hand on Sulu's shoulder, and shout, "Warp 1, engage!!!!"  Oh ya, can you feel it?  I said CAN YOU FEEL IT?
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Okay, that was not helpful.  Seriously, SFC3 is an arcade version of the SFC series.  I sincerely recommend you try SFC2: EAW or SFC2:OP.  Both titles have a bit more depth and will offer your many, many hours of single-player and multi-player gaming..........and over hundreds of ships in which to become Captain Kirk (who else?).   Dreaming of piloting the Enterprise, this is Harry...see you out there.
 
« Last Edit: July 02, 2003, 01:35:06 am by Harold Nez »

SghnDubh

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2003, 10:33:51 am »
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Congrats, but don't forget you are now a candidate for SFC2-OP, a game more appropriate for the discerning "captain".  

   





grrrrrrr    


 

jimmi7769

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #82 on: July 02, 2003, 10:43:14 am »
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Congrats, but don't forget you are now a candidate for SFC2-OP, a game more appropriate for the discerning "captain".  

   





grrrrrrr    


 




Don't be so grumpy, you used to play too......didn't you??

SghnDubh

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2003, 08:21:40 pm »

LOL

Used to play. Heh.

Frankly, people are entitled to their own opinions. And since I'm entitled to mine, and ya'll are free to skip this post, here it is. The people that disparage SFC3 as "less" of a game simply because it has less buttons on its UI are being unfair and narrow-minded.

The games (EAW/OP & SFC3) are different. Not better, not worse, different. There is no reason to be elitist, bigoted, or exclusionary. It's ok to have a favorite, but it's not ok to put down either game because "it's not like the other."

And if people try to trash-talk EAW or OP as being the perfect game for the ultimate geek because of the high learning curve and myriad little nuances and they wouldn't stoop to T-Bombing anybody because it's just silly, I would "grrrr" at them too.

When will the short-sighted arrogance about "2 vs 3" or "3 vs 2" stop, and when will people accept that we're here to have fun--and that both games will stay on your hard-drive long after you've installed and un-installed UT2003 or Command and Conquer?

RANT OFF.  

 

Cleaven

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2003, 09:29:54 pm »
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When will the short-sighted arrogance about "2 vs 3" or "3 vs 2" stop, and when will people accept that we're here to have fun--and that both games will stay on your hard-drive long after you've installed and un-installed UT2003 or Command and Conquer?

RANT OFF.  

 




Weeellll since you bring it up, I think the point is that there will be only one (to steal a line), and some of us know which one that one is. So by all means go and play the latest and greatest for as long as it amuses you. But when you tire of it or just want a change, head on to the third iteration of the original tried and tested product. If you don't like it then maybe you will return to SFC3 refreshed and with a more positive outlook as you wait for it's second iteration.
 

NannerSlug

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2003, 09:49:35 pm »
SghnDubh , you are absolutely correct..

im going to be blunt here.. sfc3 was never given a fraction of the chance ot patience sfc2 was.. the only game that was nearly bastardized by many here was OP (which in my opinion has always been the superior product - but hey, thats my opinion).

sfc3 was shafted between the politics of people who never gave it a chance, no demo and no patch (after how many were released for eaw). it is my opinion that there will never be an official patch for sfc3 now. it will be a cold day in hell before it happens.

take sfc2 or op and put it out there with no demo or no official patch and stack it up to sfc3 and see what kind of a response you get. sfc3 might not be perfect.. but its an excellent game in its own right.. you add in the dominion war and TNZ mods for sfc3 and it out right rocks.

it is all about your preference. some people like the sfc2 style of play.. others like the sfc3 style of play.. it is 100% a matter of opinion. i think it would be wise for people to let it be.

CaptainCrazy701

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2003, 10:04:20 pm »
You know what would be the absolute best wet dream for any star trek fanatic? A game that lets you design ships from the ground up...some kind of easy yet robust tool that lets you design ships to your liking..ohhh i would love that so much. The more customization the better in my book.

One aquestion about SFC II OP, do you have to push buttons on the menu to turn your ship or can u use keyboard arrow keys? THis is a big one folks cause i briefly tried SFC II before and i only knew of how to move the ship via the nav buttons on the menu and it was bloody annoying.  

Dash Jones

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #87 on: July 02, 2003, 10:22:24 pm »
I like both SFC 2 and SFC 3.  SFC 3 is nigh perfect with the TNG mod.  SFC 2 is nigh perfect for me as OP.

But the best one of all for me is still (and maybe nostalgia gets in my way because it was the first I played, and my first exposure to Trek) is the first and original SFC.

Harold Nez

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2003, 10:42:42 pm »
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You know what would be the absolute best wet dream for any star trek fanatic? A game that lets you design ships from the ground up...some kind of easy yet robust tool that lets you design ships to your liking..ohhh i would love that so much. The more customization the better in my book.

One aquestion about SFC II OP, do you have to push buttons on the menu to turn your ship or can u use keyboard arrow keys? THis is a big one folks cause i briefly tried SFC II before and i only knew of how to move the ship via the nav buttons on the menu and it was bloody annoying.  




You move with the mouse, clicking in a 180 degree circle.  I'm part of the crowd that uses the mouse more (to fire etc.).  Basically, you can use the keyboard or the mouse for just about anything, your choice.    

Oh, I didn't want my calling SFC3 "arcade" to be a knock.  I just think that everyone is right.  It is different...bit more arcade oriented, IMHO.  Peace.
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Corbomite

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2003, 11:26:26 pm »
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Frankly, people are entitled to their own opinions. And since I'm entitled to mine, and ya'll are free to skip this post, here it is. The people that disparage SFC3 as "less" of a game simply because it has less buttons on its UI are being unfair and narrow-minded.




I don't disparage SFC3 because of the number of buttons on the UI, I disparage it because I found it bloody boring. But as you said it's all a matter of opinion and preference. If people are having fun with it, more power to them. For me it was a waste of $40.

Scipio_66

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2003, 11:41:40 pm »
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The people that disparage SFC3 as "less" of a game simply because it has less buttons on its UI are being unfair and narrow-minded.
 




There are many reasons I disparage SFC3 (sic).  The number of buttons on the UI isn't one of them.

But to each his own.

-S'Cipio

Cleaven

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2003, 04:25:30 am »
Actually this has been said often enough,in that the D3 game is very popular for a lot of people. I think this is the opposite situation for SFC2 where the D2 leaves a lot to be desired and it's the game play which keeps people there. It probably comes down to what you are happy doing without the most, as opposed to what you want the most.  

SghnDubh

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2003, 04:37:32 pm »
Why the (sic) S'cipio?  

3dot14

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2003, 05:20:45 pm »
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Why the (sic) S'cipio?    



SFC3 isn't quite a SEQUEL, in the sense of the word.

It's more of a Spin-Off. (use TV lingo.) It's what Crusade is to Babylon 5, what Angel is to Buffy (I do NOT watch either  ), what CSI Miami is to CSI, and more accurately, what the Next Generation is to Star Trek.
Or in game terms, what MechCommander is to MechWarrior, what Generals is to Red Alert, what CounterStrike is to HalfLife.

It's Different. I wholeheartedly agree. But I don't thin it should've been called SFC THREE. It should be given a "subtitle". To put the Three in SFC3 effectively terminated the SFC series as it was. And it's a blatant attempt to bank on the SFC name without the same content.

I guess, and it's only an guess. Scipio wanted to say SFC:TNG.

So would I. It would saved the community a lot of trouble debating Two v Three. But as is, Three is after Two in a continuous series. I won't be surprised if they are compared.

I don't fault Taldren nor SFC3. I fault the Activision producers. (while I acknoledge they made the existence of Taldren possible, but that does excuse them.)

Cleaven

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2003, 06:17:13 pm »
Norton's scans for software and recognises it as SFC:TNG not SFC3, so somebody in the production process labelled it correctly.    

The_Infiltrator

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2003, 07:00:45 pm »
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LOL

Used to play. Heh.

Frankly, people are entitled to their own opinions. And since I'm entitled to mine, and ya'll are free to skip this post, here it is. The people that disparage SFC3 as "less" of a game simply because it has less buttons on its UI are being unfair and narrow-minded.

The games (EAW/OP & SFC3) are different. Not better, not worse, different. There is no reason to be elitist, bigoted, or exclusionary. It's ok to have a favorite, but it's not ok to put down either game because "it's not like the other."

And if people try to trash-talk EAW or OP as being the perfect game for the ultimate geek because of the high learning curve and myriad little nuances and they wouldn't stoop to T-Bombing anybody because it's just silly, I would "grrrr" at them too.

When will the short-sighted arrogance about "2 vs 3" or "3 vs 2" stop, and when will people accept that we're here to have fun--and that both games will stay on your hard-drive long after you've installed and un-installed UT2003 or Command and Conquer?

RANT OFF.  

 





Look what they've done to a perfectly good Klingon (covers eyes)

NannerSlug

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2003, 07:59:16 pm »
please get off the political/ego driven sfc3 is not the real sfc3 trip. sfc 3 is a very legitimate "3". in fact it is by far a more legitimate 3 than a GaW would have ever been *gasp*. the GaW some of you guys keep talking about is no more than a mere expansion pack for SFC1/2 by gaming standards... there actually would be more new in MOHAA: spear head or BF 1942: the road to rome than in what some people would label the "real" sfc3.

fact is, sfc3 made some very big leaps and has a lot of potential.. but in retrospec - many of those things are not quite fleshed out and could be corrected in a patch or an expansion pack (neither is going to happen - thank goodness for the TNZ and DW mod)..

sfc3 actually has less radical changes from 2 to 3 than say warcraft2/3..

im not saying things are perfect.. but just as some democrats say bush isnt a legitimate president, i think some people need to get past the whole 2/3 thing. if they were really smart - instead of complaining about 3 - they would have lobbied for an SDK/mod potential to add weapons and make things to where they could convert it to what ever they want it to. (that is just my opinion).

sorry for the rant.. but it just amazes me... now i doubt it will be several years before we see any sort of a trek game at all.. and the patch for sfc3 is probably gone forever.. (whether some of you like it or not - sfc3 was never given a chance.. no demo, no patch 6+ months after the release of the game - try that with any game and see where it lands)

i am just thankful for folks like the pelican and korah.

CaptainCrazy701

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2003, 08:08:41 pm »
Interesting reading all these debates but I feel somewhat left out of the loop. See I haven't really played the first two so I don't understand where all this passion for debate is coming from regarding SFCIII. But I have a new question and that is tha I am in the klingons campaign and have done several "campaign required" missions but then all the sudden they stopped an now i am allowed to just go anywhere and do wahtever missions i want, mostly jhust answering distress calls and attacking abases. My question is, where did the campaign go? I feel all alone out here in space with no direction at all. Am I supposed to go around completeing all these random missions to get the story to go further?  

NannerSlug

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2003, 08:15:24 pm »
play a few missions.. its probably triggered at a certain prestiege level.

3dot14

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Re: SFCIII is too freakin hard!
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2003, 08:15:54 pm »
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Interesting reading all these debates but I feel somewhat left out of the loop. See I haven't really played the first two so I don't understand where all this passion for debate is coming from regarding SFCIII. But I have a new question and that is tha I am in the klingons campaign and have done several "campaign required" missions but then all the sudden they stopped an now i am allowed to just go anywhere and do wahtever missions i want, mostly jhust answering distress calls and attacking abases. My question is, where did the campaign go? I feel all alone out here in space with no direction at all. Am I supposed to go around completeing all these random missions to get the story to go further?  



The story continues in other races. Your last mission should be Something "Duty". Then it should shift into the next race.

And it's wrong of us to bring this debate into here. I apologize. I will shut up in this thread now.