Topic: Die Hard Re-banned

[KATChuutRitt]

A group called Freedom Forum held a survey not too long ago where it asked a slew of American citizens to name all five of the rights protected under the First Amendment.

A whopping 30% could not name a single one! 65% cited freedom of speech, and only 15% got freedom of the press. A little better were those who remembered freedom of religion, at 16%. And last were the 10% that said... right to assembly. And not a single citizen of the good o1' U.S. of A. said the last one. Freedom of, the right to... uh? It's the right to petition or protest, dummies.

All apologies to our founding fathers.


In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!


I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law.  I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

Thank you.

BTW this thread has more views than the SETI Thread now.....................

[SSCF Hooch]

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[LongTooth]

You know I think that taldrem might of been banned
Or they might of been reading the derek smart  guide to fourm care
Cant bleave that taldren are too scared to reply to to their own fourm users
In fact the only time I have seen them post in the last few days was to point out that no they were not slaging ati drivers
(yeah right )
All we want is a reply now would that hurt? Would it hurt as much as seeing this topic at the top of the page for a month 6 months a year?
This is not going to go away we are not going to go away sure you can ban us,delete this topic dont matter it will only start again but with more support
Now you dont want this the size of the seti thread do you  

[DrSchreber]

To All,

Greetings.

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it".

 - Voltaire

That's it.

DrSchreber  

[Uss_Defiant]

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[Kieran Forester]

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[SSCF Hooch]

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[LongTooth]

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[KATChuutRitt]

Kore wa Bumupu desu.

[CubCarson]

Die Hard and Max have been contributing to this community for a very long time- at least from the time dv2 came about ( I think). If they made emotionally heated posts it is because they are big fans of the series and want the best from it. Sure they could log in under another name and make their points but it would not be the same- who the hell would give the same respect to powermax or hardtokill when they show 1 or two posts as compared to 299 or 999 posts? Its a sign of time served and experience earned. They have supported this game and contributed to it for a long time, if the posts were offensive maybe there was a reason behind it?
Taldren is still a small company in the gaming community, I would think it would try to hang on to as many loyal fans as it could.
My 0.02$
 

[KBF-JD]

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In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

 

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

I feel, putting Howard Stern's TV show on local broadcast without editing would be a mistake.  They even blur out the "naughty bits" on the cable channel that carries it.  Now if a pay service picked it up, go for it!

I also feel that the local library should have filters for computers in the "Kids" section.  And unrestricted access in the adult section.

Posting should remain unlimited, but if you post something like Kiddie porn and it is tracked back to you, don't be supprised if the local law enforcement people come knocking on your door....

If you host a site in Germany that has Nasi material, don't be supprised if the cops show up at your door....

Don't know what catagory that puts me in, but at least I bumped the thread...

jd  

[Kieran Forester]

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[Uss_Defiant]

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Die Hard and Max have been contributing to this community for a very long time- at least from the time dv2 came about ( I think). If they made emotionally heated posts it is because they are big fans of the series and want the best from it. Sure they could log in under another name and make their points but it would not be the same- who the hell would give the same respect to powermax or hardtokill when they show 1 or two posts as compared to 299 or 999 posts? Its a sign of time served and experience earned. They have supported this game and contributed to it for a long time, if the posts were offensive maybe there was a reason behind it?
Taldren is still a small company in the gaming community, I would think it would try to hang on to as many loyal fans as it could.
My 0.02$
 

Now remember, thats $0.02 canadian.... so in reality its only $0.016 US.
Dosent it feel good to be downgraded?
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[KATChuutRitt]

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In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

 

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

I feel, putting Howard Stern's TV show on local broadcast without editing would be a mistake.  They even blur out the "naughty bits" on the cable channel that carries it.  Now if a pay service picked it up, go for it!

I also feel that the local library should have filters for computers in the "Kids" section.  And unrestricted access in the adult section.

Posting should remain unlimited, but if you post something like Kiddie porn and it is tracked back to you, don't be supprised if the local law enforcement people come knocking on your door....

If you host a site in Germany that has Nasi material, don't be supprised if the cops show up at your door....

Don't know what catagory that puts me in, but at least I bumped the thread...

jd  

JD,

Below the section of my earlier post that you quoted is the following:

 

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   I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.  

The filtering of Howard Stern on Public TV, filtering of the library in the kids section, and kiddie porn are not protected by the law nor do I consider these in the spirit ofthe first ammendment.  So I'm in agreement with you.

 As far as simple human nudity I dont think that it is bad.  Look at the way the Europeans view it without seeing it as obscene.  The US being a colony of a prudish Victorian England has gone a long way to shape our laws on this, and I think have caused us alot of social problems in the sex crimes area.  Much in the same way that drug laws restricting marijuanna use have fueled a criminal economy.  Don't know how you feel about the last two, but up to now our views seem to agree nicely, sorry if you got the wrong impression from the earlier post, but that is why I put that second paragraph in it.
 

[KBF-JD]

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   I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.  

The filtering of Howard Stern on Public TV, filtering of the library in the kids section, and kiddie porn are not protected by the law nor do I consider these in the spirit ofthe first ammendment.  So I'm in agreement with you.

 As far as simple human nudity I dont think that it is bad.  Look at the way the Europeans view it without seeing it as obscene.  The US being a colony of a prudish Victorian England has gone a long way to shape our laws on this, and I think have caused us alot of social problems in the sex crimes area.  Much in the same way that drug laws restricting marijuanna use have fueled a criminal economy.  Don't know how you feel about the last two, but up to now our views seem to agree nicely, sorry if you got the wrong impression from the earlier post, but that is why I put that second paragraph in it.
 



Yea Chuut,

We do have the prudishness of our founders to bear.

Nudity/sexuality, well I have 4 kids and I like the fact that I can have some control over what they are exposed too.  The problem I have is the prudes want to get rid of it and the other side wants to force it(flaunt it) on people who don't want to see it.  I really don't care what consenting adults do to/with each other in private.  Just don't throw it in my face and say "it's natural, it's OK."  

Dope?  No good answer.  I have seen first hand too many times how badly pot can burn you out.  I have serveral friends who are fried.  So I cannot back making it leagal.  The points for leagalization ARE strong, but I just cannot see it.  As a matter of fact, the last report I saw about Belgum(?) where they had leagalizied it, it was causing a BIG strain on the system.  Pot also does lead to harder drugs(I've seen it do it too much).

What really gets me mad is people who say, "Kids are going to have sex." or "Kids are going to do durgs."  Niether of those are true.  Kids are people, people have the power to do or not to do things.  Human beings can control their urges.  It's part of being human.  Part of what's wrong is we are not raising our kids like people, we too often treat them like dumb anamals and are supprised when that's what we get...

Ahhh well, that outta get some flames going  

And the whole point of this post was really....


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jd  

[KATChuutRitt]

I think what I am for on the marijuna issue is legal but restricted kinda like alcohol is.  Sell marijuana in state run liquor stores, and tax it rather than have some drug dealer  pocketing a significant chunk of the US economy.

I agree about not flaunting it, but that is a product of prudishness, deny something as sinful and it gains the charm of "forbidden fruit".  Treat nudity as natural not as a marketing tool.

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[ChrsLWlstr]

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[SSCF Hooch]

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

[KBF-JD]

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I think what I am for on the marijuna issue is legal but restricted kinda like alcohol is.  Sell marijuana in state run liquor stores, and tax it rather than have some drug dealer  pocketing a significant chunk of the US economy.
 

That's about the best plan I have heard of for making it leagal.  But when I see my friends that have waisted their lives and their brains...  I just can not do it...

But I would not be overly upset if they did it that way...

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I agree about not flaunting it, but that is a product of prudishness, deny something as sinful and it gains the charm of "forbidden fruit".  Treat nudity as natural not as a marketing tool.
 

Well, I am more conserned that the nudity might lead to futher erosion of our moral character.

But face it, most of the people who want to run around in the nude, well, I don't want to see them in the nude!!!

Despite what the people say about the beauty of nudity, clothing covers major flaws in most of us.  Not many of us would look really good in our birthday suits.  If you know what I mean...  

Trust me, I don't want to see myself that way....

and of course...

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