Topic: There *IS* going to be another OP patch.

[jdmckinney]

The real shame is that the ISC rear plasma will probably never work exactly the way intended. As such, they get some bloated BPVs for a weapon that many of the captains don't even charge that often due to their power curves.

[Tumulorum Fossor]

Wow! Great news about the cloak (and everything else!)!

I think this will really add a whole new facet to SFC, [re]intoducing cloak and anti-cloak tactics, as opposed to now, where it goes absolutely unused!
It would be great to play [as close as possible to] SFB standard cloak!

Thanks, Dave Ferrell!  And thank you, beta testers.

In terms of when to release it, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with the "when it's done" response.  That's just about the ONLY right answer anyhow.  God only knows if we'll EVER get another patch after this one, so for Pete's sake, take your time and test the living crap out of this patch before release! (but don't resent me/us too much for agonizing over the delay like kids waiting for XMas so they can open the presents...)!


Thanks, again!

Great news about the cloak, that!

-Tumulorum Fossor

[Sethan]

Looking forward to the patch - but definitely willing to wait until Taldren is ready to release it.

The more bugs they have time to squash, the better.

[TheSatyr]

There is no rush with this patch so we are all taking our time and making sure we are all happy with it before tossing it out the door.(We all have a can of Raid handy).

 

[3dot14]

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Please, what ever you do, do NOT patch the rear ISC plasmas like you did in EAW.  You only get one shot in the entire scenairio.  

It's a pity really, the EAW version, when working correctly, is the most approperiate version of plasI.

[KHHJakle]

I am an infrequent visitor to these forums, so bear with me if this is an established fact:

Will there be any further EAW patches to incorporate some if the additions to OP, namely the work on the Rom cloak?

Thanks  

[The_Infiltrator]

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Looking forward to the patch - but definitely willing to wait until Taldren is ready to release it.

The more bugs they have time to squash, the better.  

(Wonders if Sethan is regrowing pointy ears and dreaming about plasma bolts and plasma sabot)

[Toasty0]

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I am an infrequent visitor to these forums, so bear with me if this is an established fact:

Will there be any further EAW patches to incorporate some if the additions to OP, namely the work on the Rom cloak?

Thanks  

Interesting question.. I think (just guessing here mind you) that is something that'll have to be looked at once other work is completed.

Best,
Jerry  

[Sethan]

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Looking forward to the patch - but definitely willing to wait until Taldren is ready to release it.

The more bugs they have time to squash, the better.  

(Wonders if Sethan is regrowing pointy ears and dreaming about plasma bolts and plasma sabot)  

Never lost the pointy ears, and plasma bolts are a pipe dream    Plasma Sabot we already have after a fashion, with Plas-X.

Rumors of OoB servers (and rumors here of improved cloak) are tempting me to take my old R-WE back out into space again, though.

I don't actually need to sleep, do I?

[Strafer]

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I don't actually need to sleep, do I?  

Only in between reloads.

(oops, did I say that out loud?)

[TheSatyr]

The Roms will be "competitive" shall we say?  

[Cpt. Chaos]

"Please, let me  sleep."

"How, how am I gonna get to sleep?"

"I know, we'll count those bars on the window..."


Chaos

[TarMinyatur]

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...the cloak has been implemented to the closest of SFB specs as possible without changing the inner engine involved. However, it is still being tweaked due to discovered bugs.
-- Luc  

Hmm, doesn't sound like they used my suggested quick fix of R*2 + 6 instead of R*2 + 5.

Perhaps the combat v cloak table is now used for direct fire weapons:

1d3: Effect (if they hit)
1: Full damage (based on true range for Disr, Phot, PPD(?), Hellbore; based on effective range for Phasers and Fusion)
2: Half damage
3: Quarter damage

ESG's naturally ignore the chart entirely.

However, the cloaking ship will have to have its ECM ignored otherwise this combination is too powerful a defense. A cloaked ship is not supposed to directly benefit from a favorable ECM shift (making weapons miss). The combat v cloak chart is essentially the ECM shift.

Seeking weapons had been using a hard to decipher process for losing lock-on (disappearing drones/0 damage plasma). Data suggested that Plasma were using a chart like this upon impact:

1d3: Effect when striking a fully cloaked vessel
1: Half damage
2: Quarter damage
3: No damage

Flash-cubed ships get hammered with full damage seeking weapons.

Oh yeah, FireSoul, I wonder if you could remind the Circle people that Suicide Shuttles are incapable of losing lock-on to a cloaked ship.  

[Tumulorum Fossor]

Poetry: that'll work!

Come sweet slumber,
Enshroud me in thy purple cloak.


...Hmm. Doesn't even rhyme.


-Tumulorum Fossor  

[FireSoul]

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Oh yeah, FireSoul, I wonder if you could remind the Circle people that Suicide Shuttles are incapable of losing lock-on to a cloaked ship.  

I have.

[The_Infiltrator]

Hmm...a working defend me command would be nice (see Corbormite for why it doesn't work now).

[Sethan]

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Hmm, doesn't sound like they used my suggested quick fix of R*2 + 6 instead of R*2 + 5.  

Not to pick nits too much - but it is (R+5)*2 not R*2 + 5.

[Cleaven]

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Hmm, doesn't sound like they used my suggested quick fix of R*2 + 6 instead of R*2 + 5.  

Not to pick nits too much - but it is (R+5)*2 not R*2 + 5.  

The range penalty modifier (G13.302) is applied after the effects of No Lock-On (G13.301), so the +5 occurs after the range doubling.  

[Tumulorum Fossor]

And let's not forget the cumulative nature of the "+5" depending on what impulse during the 5-impulse fade that the cloaking/decloaking vessel is fired upon, lest we keep things too simple here.  

-TF

[Mr. Hypergol]

 

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 The range penalty modifier (G13.302) is applied after the effects of No Lock-On (G13.301), so the +5 occurs after the range doubling.  

Wait a minute!!!!  That rule only applies during a leap year according to the new rule G13.301.2.