Topic: Litterbox 5 shiplist / modelpack preview installer feedback thread (Read 7897 times)

Julin Eurthyr · « **on:** June 24, 2004, 04:45:37 pm »

Closure of the old forum doesn't mean that the help and discussion about the pending shiplist for LB5 needs to die off...

We'll be looking here, especially for you Die Hard...

And thanks for helping us find everything... It'll help everything else go over smoothly once the server starts...

Fluf · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:35:07 pm »

Diehard already sent be the fixes for the spare parts. I will be changing the classes on the ships tonight and doing some of the other fixes that are needed. Then we will put out another one for everybody to take a look at.

Hopeing to have final installers for both games up by this weekend and test servers going early next week.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:41:34 pm »

Well, it sounds completely WHACKED. However, I will happily dload the installer and playtest it ASAP when you put it up.

Regardless of how it works tho, I will be a-playin away.

Fluf · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:45:09 pm »

Agreed AJTK, when I first looked at this thing when I was putting it together, I just shook my head and said WTF have we done!

But I have a funny feeling we are on the right track here as far as balancing some of the age old concerns from the slower hex flipping races, and their enjoyment of the game. So I really want to give this a chance.

So any help, questions, or concerns, please post them. This shiplist was done for the community, and we need your help.

762_XC · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:47:57 pm »

Question Fluf....

If we bump all the move cost 1 ships up to CA class, won't that make the lower end ones drawing tougher AI? This could be a pain, especially in early era.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:48:41 pm »

And that is EXACTLY why I am giving it a chance there Fluffy, lol. You guys have obviously put a butt-load of work into this, and while Im not too sure about you... I know Tracy_G and t00l are relatively sane so Im signed up!

Time will tell if your right, or if DH is right.

But like Francis said "All I know is I finally get to kill somebody."

Fluf · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:53:18 pm »

Yep thats why I dont want to do that. Just because it has a movement cost of 1 doesnt mean its a CA. Some of the ships especially in early really suck on the lower end. The point is to try to give these ships easier and faster mission times.

One effect this might have is players might be flying more line ships, as they will be drawing lower AI, cost less and be able to earn PP quicker, which is part of the goal to help the plasma races.

You will notice in this list, the drones, fighters, and escort ships got a healthy bump, making them more expensive, and they will draw tougher AI.

Might not hurt to fly a line ship then!

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2004, 07:59:04 pm »

I took my meds, better now. World doesn't seem out to get me. I'm in my happy place.

PS, new forums. I will behave myself for a while.

Fluf · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:03:23 pm »

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on June 24, 2004, 07:59:04 pm

I took my meds, better now. World doesn't seem out to get me. I'm in my happy place.

PS, new forums. I will behave myself for a while.

Oh come on DieHard, I need my blood pressure to go up again. This community is at its best when we are having a healthy debate!

Its my turn to be in the hot seat for a couple of weeks. So I dont want anybody holding back!

When in doubt, its my fault!

Hexx · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:07:11 pm »

Quote from: Fluf on June 24, 2004, 08:03:23 pm

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on June 24, 2004, 07:59:04 pm
I took my meds, better now. World doesn't seem out to get me. I'm in my happy place.

PS, new forums. I will behave myself for a while.

Oh come on DieHard, I need my blood pressure to go up again. This community is at its best when we are having a healthy debate!

Its my turn to be in the hot seat for a couple of weeks. So I dont want anybody holding back!

When in doubt, its my fault!

Also Fluffy (this probably isn't the place for it but..)
1) Are we expected to fly on both SFC3 and OP servers? CAn we be a different race on each?
2) I know you're mod isn't out yet -but in the interest of trying SFC3 I have to
a) install SFC3 clean
b)intall first beta patch
c)Install 2nd beta patch
d)install LB5 mod

is this right?

Fluf · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:19:08 pm »

You dont have to fly on both servers, but it will help. Its not so much which race but which side you pick, Alliance or Coalition. I dont care which race you pick, just so the sides even out on both fronts.

It would be nice if all the D2 would give SFC3 another try. I think you will like what we have done with the SFC3 side of things. Its entertaining.

And yes, Hexx thats the way you will install it. Full instructions will be posted when I release the downloads.

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:19:50 pm »

Sorry, im not flying on SFC3.

"Admires shiny coaster"

Nope, not doing it.

Heh, guess today makes it damn well obvious that our buying SFC3 to get GaW didnt pan out, eh?

Oh well. Cant wait to see the answer on this one, I hope it is either cause I am OUT if its both.

mathcubeguy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2004, 10:03:20 pm »

SFC 3 is one of the 3 or 4 games I own that this 4 year old POS of mine cant run. Geeze thats like 200 bucks of games I havnt been able to play

Dizzy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2004, 11:37:09 pm »

Quote from: Fluf on June 24, 2004, 08:19:08 pm

It would be nice if all the D2 would give SFC3 another try.

Alright, Fluf, send me a disk. I'll try it. How long b4 I dont 'suck' at it?

KBF-Nail · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2004, 11:45:21 pm »

Count me in on the OP side not the SFC3 side. Not really into it. Tried it didnt like it. Thats just my opinion.

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2004, 12:30:34 am »

Quote from: AJTK on June 24, 2004, 08:19:50 pm

Heh, guess today makes it damn well obvious that our buying SFC3 to get GaW didnt pan out, eh?

Fluf · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2004, 12:57:45 am »

No you dont have to fly both. However, it will be important to coordinate with the D3 guys, as VCs must be taken on both maps. Also, I expect some of the D3 crowd to come to play on OP for the first time. So I expect you people to help them out and teach them the ropes.

The whole point of this campaign is to help both games out and expand our playerbase and make some new freinds.

Fluf · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2004, 03:12:44 am »

And I also would like some of you to try out SFC3 again. I know its not the game alot of us wanted. But myself and the Battlezone team spent alot of time making the mod for this play a little more like the D2. So dont knock it until you try it.

Fluf · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2004, 01:02:58 am »

Bumped back to the top over all of Dizzies carnage!

Lepton · « **Reply #19 on:** June 26, 2004, 02:07:39 am »

OK, I'll stick my foot in my mouth here. My understanding of the DIP shiplist is to make sort of a rating of ships based on combat effectiveness. Most of what I have seen in that respect has been to up the BPV of ships to account for how human players use ships. What I haven't seen or am not aware of is some assessment of combat effectiveness that maybe scales with the tech available in each era. For instance a number of klink ships I looked at have basically been untouched as per BPV. Is the the D6B at 128 really equal to the D5C at 127? Is the D6K at 135 equal to the D5L at 133? And how do the cloaking cruisers get such a high rating when no one touches those with a ten foot pole?

I am sure that I probably don't understand the full intent of the changes made in the DIP. Perhaps someone could tell me why this above issue is or isn't within the scope of what the DIP is addressing or has or has not addressed yet. Thanks.

Fluf · « **Reply #20 on:** June 26, 2004, 02:50:30 am »

The intent was to rate their combat effectiveness vs AI and how fast they do missions. Everyone knows that the ships with drones and fighter can do missions faster. The actual comparing of these ships once they got classed was done by each race, where we listed the 3 ships from each class for every year of production on a excel spreadsheet and looked for holes in the list and compared them vs the other races ships.

The intent then was to playtest these 3 ships, for every year in every class, vs other races ships of the same year and class, and make balance adjustsment, or BPV changes, or subsitute new ships to fill in any "holes" that a race might have, without screwing up the obvious racial ebb and flow through the eras.

The problem is, we have all been too busy with RL, campaigns and other things to get the testing done. This list probably shouldnt even be put out yet, but Im curious to see some actual playtesting in a live campaign done with it. Do I expect there to be problems? Yes. Thats the whole point of putting this out to you guys, so that we can find out if this process is even a valid forumula to use.

And Im glad you brought up the cloaking Klingon ships. Ill take a look at them. Understand that the Roms got a cloak cut and a BPV cut in SS2 because of the current patch that was out, and the cloak was still broken. We didnt adjust cloaking Klingon ships at that time, so they might have a little higher BPV because of this. The Roms in this list did get a sweet deal, and we decided to stay with it. We shall see how this plays out in real time.

Mace · « **Reply #21 on:** June 26, 2004, 08:54:13 am »

The problem with the Cloaking Klingon ships??? there is no problem. They are not ever used by anyone so it is a moot point. The only one that is of any use is the D5Y and I don't know too many that will use it. Saber dancing/disruptor tactics just don't fit with a cloaking device. Maybe if it was put on the D7T, now that might be useful.....

Hexx · « **Reply #22 on:** June 26, 2004, 12:51:10 pm »

Hey Fluf have another query for ya
-which SFC3 mod is LB5 based off of? Just wanted to try tha game out before
we start this for "real"
I've downloaded Battlezone the second voyages. is this the one or was it another mod?
Or is LB5 a completely new mod altogether that's not based on anything?

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2004, 08:45:20 pm »

Quote from: Fluf on June 25, 2004, 03:12:44 am

And I also would like some of you to try out SFC3 again. I know its not the game alot of us wanted. But myself and the Battlezone team spent alot of time making the mod for this play a little more like the D2. So dont knock it until you try it.

In your mod, does SFC3 still have:

1)4 shields?
2)No seeking weapons?
3)Angular velocity?
4)No EW?
5)No fighters/PF's?
6)warp hops?

Not knocking your hard work, Fluf. Have you ever seen the movie Christine? "You cant polish a turd, Pepper."

FPF-AJTK · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2004, 08:46:20 pm »

Quote from: KBF-Crim on June 25, 2004, 12:30:34 am

Quote from: AJTK on June 24, 2004, 08:19:50 pm

Heh, guess today makes it damn well obvious that our buying SFC3 to get GaW didnt pan out, eh?

Shush, bumpy head!

Grim · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2004, 09:24:20 pm »

Quote from: AJTK on June 26, 2004, 08:45:20 pm

Quote from: Fluf on June 25, 2004, 03:12:44 am
And I also would like some of you to try out SFC3 again. I know its not the game alot of us wanted. But myself and the Battlezone team spent alot of time making the mod for this play a little more like the D2. So dont knock it until you try it.

In your mod, does SFC3 still have:

1)4 shields?
2)No seeking weapons?
3)Angular velocity?
4)No EW?
5)No fighters/PF's?
6)warp hops?

Not knocking your hard work, Fluf. Have you ever seen the movie Christine? "You cant polish a turd, Pepper."

lmao AJ

i've installed sfc3 and patched it, shame as its been my beermat for the past year or so i'll miss it.

I'm going to give the sfc3 side of the dyna a go i think, though most of my time will be on the OP side of it.

Julin Eurthyr · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2004, 08:08:40 am »

Bump for more input prior to test servers.

Don't forget, if you've got the test shiplist you could run SP campaigns to see how your favorite ship stacks up in the new order...

Soreyes · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2004, 08:58:31 am »

I found a problem or two with the Model pointers.... already told Fluf

But 7pp for a T-Bomb

Dizzy · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2004, 11:13:09 am »

Fluf is tackling dual game platforms simultaneously, SFCOP and SFC3, so for SG4 (cant be outdone), we will do the same thing PLUS add in modded version ov Elite Forces II that will represent planet, base and ship boarding actions in real time... Ask Frey about my Omniverse idea.

Fluf · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2004, 12:12:03 pm »

Guys the entire Fed list in OP was screwed. Im reworking it now. Hope to have it done in a few hours and then shipped off to Julin. Everyone that has the test pack, please try to load up everyship and see if you are getting the correct model pointers and a ship shows up.

Entrail · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2004, 02:01:13 am »

So is the new list ready? And can i down load it

Fluf · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2004, 02:59:06 am »

Finishing it as I post this. Will be sending it to Julin tomorrow. I still need to contact Karnak and find out if he squished some bugs in his missions. Will let everyone know tomorrow.

Dizzy · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2004, 05:51:45 am »

Quote from: Fluf on June 30, 2004, 02:59:06 am

Finishing it as I post this. Will be sending it to Julin tomorrow. I still need to contact Karnak and find out if he squished some bugs in his missions. Will let everyone know tomorrow.

If he didnt, remember, every other PF or Ftr squad should be a shuttle. Easiest and most balanced way to solve the dbl ftr bug.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2004, 11:06:10 am »

Quote from: Dizzy on June 30, 2004, 05:51:45 am

Quote from: Fluf on June 30, 2004, 02:59:06 am
Finishing it as I post this. Will be sending it to Julin tomorrow. I still need to contact Karnak and find out if he squished some bugs in his missions. Will let everyone know tomorrow.

If he didnt, remember, every other PF or Ftr squad should be a shuttle. Easiest and most balanced way to solve the dbl ftr bug.

Dizzy's right and this must be done on the client-side list.

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